What does GCE (UK) involve (A-levels)?

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The discussion revolves around the General Certificate of Education (GCE) in the UK, specifically its relationship to A-levels and the requirements for obtaining these qualifications. Participants explore the structure of A-levels, including the distinction between AS and A2 levels, and the necessity of GCSEs in relation to A-level qualifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the nature of the GCE and its equivalence to A-levels.
  • It is proposed that the GCE requires passes in two relevant A-levels or equivalent qualifications.
  • Participants discuss the structure of A-levels, clarifying that an A-level consists of an AS followed by an A2.
  • There is mention of changes to the A-level system around 2000, which allowed for more flexibility in subject choices.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the necessity of AS exams in relation to A2 exams for obtaining A-levels.
  • Clarifications are made about the GCSE, noting it is a qualification below the GCE and that it is not required for certain applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the structure of A-levels and the requirement of completing both AS and A2 levels to obtain an A-level. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the necessity of AS exams in specific contexts, and the discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the equivalency of AS levels to A-levels and the implications of not needing GCSEs for certain qualifications. There are references to specific rules in the UK regarding qualifications that may not be universally applicable.

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Individuals interested in understanding the UK education system, particularly those considering A-levels or GCE qualifications, may find this discussion informative.

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Hi!

What does the General Certificate of Education (?) in the UK involve? Is it the same as A-levels?

Edit: It says I need the GCE with two A-levels, what does this mean?
 
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Maddie1609 said:
Hi!

What does the General Certificate of Education (?) in the UK involve? Is it the same as A-levels?

Yes.

Edit: It says I need the GCE with two A-levels, what does this mean?

It means you need passes in two relevant A-levels (or, conceivably, equivalent non-English qualifications).
 
pasmith said:
Yes.
It means you need passes in two relevant A-levels (or, conceivably, equivalent non-English qualifications).
Thanks! It also says I don't need the GCSE, what does that mean? When taking the A-levels, do I need to take the AS and A2? :-)
 
Maddie1609 said:
When taking the A-levels, do I need to take the AS and A2? :-)

An A-level consists of an AS followed by an A2, so yes.

See also http://www.cie.org.uk/programmes-and-qualifications/cambridge-advanced/cambridge-international-as-and-a-levels/ .
 
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pasmith said:
An A-level consists of an AS followed by an A2, so yes.

See also here.
Thank you, the link was very helpful. Maybe the Norwegian equivalent of UCAS is a little confused cause I am... It says (translated): From 2015/16 2 AS-levels will no longer replace 1 A-level. The combination 1 A-level and 2 AS-levels will not give a [Norwegian equivalent of the GCE] and the applicant must have a minimum of 2 A-levels to fulfill the requirements of a [Norwegian equivalent of the GCE]

Does this mean I don't need to take any AS exams, only A2?:confused:
 
In the UK it used to be that one traditionally studied for the A-level qualifications from the age of 16 to the age of 18. So, you spent two years studying, say, three A-levels (say, Maths, Physics, Chemistry).

Around 2000 it changed so that now the first year of study was called 'AS level' and the second, final year, called 'A2 level'. Together, an AS and an A2 in, say, mathematics, make up the mathematics A-level (GCE) qualification.

This was done to make the first year of study into a qualification in its own right. This offered more choice to students: you did not have to commit to a subject for two years, and end up with nothing if you left after one year. Plus, you could e.g. do AS levels in maths, physics, chemistry in year one, then the A2 part for maths and physics in your second year, but drop chemistry and pick up an AS in biology. Now you leave with A-levels in maths and physics, and AS levels in chemistry and biology. Under the old system, you would not have been allowed to study biology in your second year, and not have gotten a chemistry qualification for your one year of work.

What this means for you: you CANNOT use (say) AS level physics and AS level mathematics and present this as equivalent to one whole A-level. The two AS levels are still two years' worth of work, but they are not, for your website quote, considered as one A-level. [Imagine you studied at university for three years, but each year you swapped subject and started again - is this equivalent to a full, three-year degree in the same subject? Not really.]

So: to get an A-level in ANY subject, you must complete two parts - the AS level (first year topics) and the A2 level (second year topics). So, yes, you WILL need to take AS level exams (and then A2 exams) in order to get an A-level.
 
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In the UK it used to be that one traditionally studied for the A-level qualifications from the age of 16 to the age of 18. So, you spent two years studying, say, three A-levels (say, Maths, Physics, Chemistry).

Around 2000 it changed so that now the first year of study was called 'AS level' and the second, final year, called 'A2 level'. Together, an AS and an A2 in, say, mathematics, make up the mathematics A-level (GCE) qualification.

This was done to make the first year of study into a qualification in its own right. This offered more choice to students: you did not have to commit to a subject for two years, and end up with nothing if you left after one year. Plus, you could e.g. do AS levels in maths, physics, chemistry in year one, then the A2 part for maths and physics in your second year, but drop chemistry and pick up an AS in biology. Now you leave with A-levels in maths and physics, and AS levels in chemistry and biology. Under the old system, you would not have been allowed to study biology in your second year, and not have gotten a chemistry qualification for your one year of work.

What this means for you: you CANNOT use (say) AS level physics and AS level mathematics and present this as equivalent to one whole A-level. The two AS levels are still two years' worth of work, but they are not, for your website quote, considered as one A-level. [Imagine you studied at university for three years, but each year you swapped subject and started again - is this equivalent to a full, three-year degree in the same subject? Not really.]

So: to get an A-level in ANY subject, you must complete two parts - the AS level (first year topics) and the A2 level (second year topics). So, yes, you WILL need to take AS level exams (and then A2 exams) in order to get an A-level.
You are fantastic, thank you so much for this!
 
You are very welcome. Hope it helps. :)
 
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Sorry, I missed this question: Thanks! It also says I don't need the GCSE, what does that mean?

The GCSE is the qualification in England that you get when you finish compulsory schooling at 16. Students normally take about 10 of these. GCSEs are the qualification one stage below the GCE (A-levels). So, from what you wrote, the website says you do not need to worry about this qualification (which is lower than a GCE (A-level) anyway).

P.S. There are some strange rules in the UK e.g. some jobs will not hire you even if you have a degree in mathematics, if you do not also have the GCSE in mathematics! But you don't need to worry about that either.
 
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