What Does Per Unit Volume Mean in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the meaning of the term "per unit volume" in physics, particularly in the context of how it relates to different unit systems such as SI and CGS. Participants explore the implications of using various units of volume and the potential for confusion that arises from this terminology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on what "unit volume" refers to, questioning whether it means one cubic meter, cubic centimeter, or another measurement.
  • Another participant explains that if there are "p" states per unit volume, then in a volume "V," there are p*V states, suggesting that this holds true regardless of the unit used.
  • A participant challenges the clarity of this definition by providing a specific example where "p=5," highlighting the inconsistency when applying different unit volumes (1 m³ vs. 1 cm³).
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of sticking to a single system of units, stating that in the SI system, "per unit volume" is understood to mean per cubic meter.
  • Another participant reiterates that the number of states is always p*V, but the interpretation of "unit volume" depends on the unit system being used (MKS vs. CGS).
  • A later reply expresses a preference for explicitness in stating the units being referenced, suggesting that clarity could be improved by specifying the units rather than relying on the term "per unit volume."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that "per unit volume" is context-dependent and can lead to confusion when different unit systems are applied. However, there is no consensus on whether the terminology should be standardized or explicitly stated in discussions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is limited by the assumptions regarding the unit systems in use and the potential for misunderstanding when switching between them. The implications of using different units are not fully resolved.

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Hi, often I hear people say that there are "X states per unit volume" or something along these lines. What is meant by unit volume? Is this one cubic meter, a cubic centimeter, or what?

This is a general question about the terminology that people use anytime they say "per unit" something. Thanks for the help!
 
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If there are "p" states per unit volume then in a volume of size "V" there are p*V states. See, it works; in a volume of "1 unit" (any unit), a "unit volume" (i.e. a volume of size one) there are p*1 states--p state in a volume of 1.
 
But how is that definition descriptive? For concreteness, let's say that p=5 and so we're saying there are 5 states per unit volume.

You say that there will be p*V states in a volume V. So in a unit volume of 1 m^3, there are supposedly 5 states. But then again, in a unit volume of 1 cm^3 there are also 5 states, although this is inconsistent by 6 orders of magnitude from the previous statement. This is what is confusing me.

Thanks.
 
That's why you stick to ONE system of units in a given context. In physics we use the SI system, in which the fundamental unit of length is the metre, and therefore the unit of volume is the metre cubed. As a result, it is understood that "per unit volume" means per cubic metre.

To put it another way, the number of states is always p*V. It's just that:

if we're dealing with 1 m^3, then V = 1

if we're dealing with 1 cm^3, then V = [itex]10^{-6}[/itex]
 
cepheid said:
To put it another way, the number of states is always p*V. It's just that:

if we're dealing with 1 m^3, then V = 1

if we're dealing with 1 cm^3, then V = [itex]10^{-6}[/itex]

Iagree, It depends on your problem, and if your using MKS unit system (meter-Kgram-sec) {{it's also called SI system}} then it'll be the first case that cepheid mentioned , or CGS units (cm-gram-sec) for this you use the second case
 
Okay, so it's simply understood that when saying per unit [units] you mean the standard unit for that system. That answers my question. Yet it seems so much better to simply be explicit and say what units you're talking about. It takes no more time.
 

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