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  1. Oct 28, 2016 #1
    It seems like division between two units is a simple intuitive concept to grasp, such as velocity, for every interval of time, a particle travels a certain distance. However, I've always had trouble trying to find an intuitive sense for multiplication between two units, e.g. what exactly does kg*m in the unit Newton intuitively mean?
     
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  3. Oct 28, 2016 #2

    fresh_42

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    It's ##kg \cdot \frac{m}{s^2}## and means an accelerated ##1 \, kg## mass.
    There isn't always an intuitive concept, e.g. units of some constants are sometimes pretty non-intuitive.
    On the other hand ##m^2## or ##m^3## can be grasped naturally.

    As you've said, division means "per". Multiplication perhaps can be thought of "applied to".
     
  4. Oct 28, 2016 #3

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    Division of two physical quantities is a mathematical description of rate of change of one quantity w.r.t. the other. For example, m/s gives rate of change of displacement with respect to time, which we call as velocity. Division of physical quantities can be described using the derivative form i.e. v=dx/dt or a=dv/dt etc.
    Multiplication of two physical quantities can be described using the integral form. It gives the area under the graph relating the two quantities.
    e.g. s=∫v⋅dt or for constant v, s=vt. This gives the area bounded by v-t graph in a particular time interval.
     
  5. Oct 28, 2016 #4
    If we observe that one quantity increases proportionally to quantity A and increases proportionally to quantity B, then we might make a model which looks like:
    C = A * B
    If A is in kg and B is in m, then it's natural to assign C the units of kg*m.
     
  6. Oct 28, 2016 #5

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    To make this concrete, consider a railroad in the shipping business. They charge $0.04 per ton mile

    If you want to ship one ton 1000 miles, it will cost you $40.00
    If you want to ship 100 tons 100 miles, it will cost you $400.00

    To quote dollars per kilogram meter instead of dollars per ton mile they have to convert.

    A meter is about 0.00062 miles. A kg is about 0.0011 U.S. short tons. A kilogram meter is about 0.00062 * 0.0011 = 0.000000682 ton miles.

    Accordingly, the price quoted by this railroad should be about $0.000000027 per kilogram meter.
     
  7. Oct 28, 2016 #6
    Also - torque is a good example, the units are Force * Distance.

    So a 10KG weight at the end of a 1M lever generates the same torque as 1 KG at the end of a 10M lever. Like seaSaws and balances.

    Actually - look at area or volume. we prefer to use the same units, Like M*M - but you can say M * inches ( and upset some people) but it is still an area.
     
  8. Oct 28, 2016 #7

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    And there are even a few situations in which it is more convenient not to use the same units. For example, in America commercial volumes of water are often measured in acre-feet - one acre-foot is the volume of water that will cover one acre one foot deep, or one-half-acre two feet deep, or ....
    If you're considering how much water you need to irrigate a field of a given size, the acre-foot is a the most convenient unit.
     
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