What Does Stokes' Theorem Reveal About Circulation and Curl?

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The discussion revolves around Stokes' Theorem and its implications for circulation and curl in vector fields. Participants are exploring conceptual questions regarding the conditions under which circulation is affected by the curl of a vector field, particularly in cases where the curl is zero.

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  • Participants are questioning the implications of a zero curl on circulation, with some suggesting that it indicates no net circulation. Others are considering the relationship between the surfaces involved and the implications of the unit normal vector on circulation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the implications of Stokes' Theorem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between curl and circulation, particularly in relation to simply connected curves. However, there is no explicit consensus on the nuances of these concepts.

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Participants are navigating through conceptual questions that may not align strictly with homework guidelines, indicating a broader exploration of vector calculus principles. There is mention of different types of surfaces and their boundaries, which may influence the discussion.

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Just a couple quick conceptual questions about Stokes' Theorem (maybe this belongs in the non-homework math forum?). Does Stokes' theorem say anything about circulation in a field for which the curl is zero? I would think that all it says is that there is no net circulation. Also, if F is a differentiable vector field defined in a region containing a smooth closed surface S, where S is the union of two surfaces S1 and S2, what can be said about
[tex]\iint_S \nabla \times \mathbf{F} \cdot \mathbf{n} d\sigma[/tex]
?
 
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Stoke's theorem (also called the "curl theorem- in mathematics "Stoke's theorem" is more general), says that
[tex]\int_S\int \nabla x \vec{f}\cdot d\vec{S}= \int_{\partial S} f\cdot d\vec{\sigma}[/tex]
where S is a surface and [itex]\partial S[/itex] is the boundary curve of that surface.

If [itex]\nabla x \vec{f}[/itex] is 0 then obviously the left side of that is 0 for any S so the right side is 0 for any closed curve. The circulation is 0.

On the other hand, a smooth closed surface has no boundary so the right side of that equation must be 0 and therefore the integral you show is 0.
 
Hah, I know what Stokes' theorem is, but I was looking at some vector calculus books and they had some of these concept questions in them. The first one I thought was obvious, but thought that maybe I had missed something. It was asking if there was anything special about circulation in a field whose curl is zero. I don't see anything special, other than that there could be circulation in areas, but that the net flow on any boundary would have to cancel to be zero.

The second one was meant to be a separate case. I am much more familiar with the divergence theorem, and I know that the divergence theorem would say that the flux depends on the unit normal. For Stokes' theorem it should be the similar case - that the joining of the two surfaces, and the circulation through them will depend on the unit normal vector.
[tex]\iint_{S1}\nabla \times \mathbf{F} \cdot \mathbf{n_1} d\sigma_1[/tex] + [tex]\iint_{S2} \nabla \times \mathbf{F} \cdot \mathbf{n_2} d\sigma_2[/tex]
 
Now that I think about it, the curl of the vector function being zero will mean that the circulation is zero if the curve is simply connected, but if it isn't simply connected then you can't know until you do the flux calculation.
 

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