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CAN somebody, please write down a formula defining the linear independence of the following functions??
{[tex]e^x,e^{2x}[/tex]}
{[tex]e^x,e^{2x}[/tex]}
The discussion revolves around the concept of linear independence, specifically focusing on the functions \( e^x \) and \( e^{2x} \). Participants explore the definition and implications of linear independence in the context of these functions, including the necessary conditions for constants in a linear combination to yield the zero function.
Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of linear independence. There is no consensus on the best way to articulate the conditions or the necessity of proving the linear independence of the functions discussed.
Some statements made by participants are incomplete or lack clarity, particularly regarding the use of quantifiers and the implications of the definitions provided. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical statements involved.
g_edgar said:The definition says: if [tex]a,b[/tex] are constants and [tex]a e^x + b e^{2x} = 0[/tex] for all [tex]x[/tex], then [tex]a = b = 0[/tex].
"For all a, b" makes no sense if "a= b= 0".evagelos said:Would you say that your definition is equivalent to:
for all a,b,x and [tex]ae^x + be^{2x}=0[/tex] ,then a=b=0 ?
or in a more combact form:
for all a,b,x [tex][ae^x + be^{2x} =0\Longrightarrow ( a=b=0)][/tex]
HallsofIvy said:"For all a, b" makes no sense if "a= b= 0".
Just "if, for all x, [tex]ae^x + be^{2x}=0[/tex] ,then a=b=0" or
"(for all x [tex]ae^x + be^{2x} =0)\Longrightarrow ( a=b=0)[/tex]"
HallsofIvy said:[tex](\text{for all } x,\; ae^x + be^{2x} =0)\Longrightarrow ( a=b=0)[/tex]
Given that [itex]ae^x+ be^{2x}= 0[/itex] for all x, then, taking x= 0, [itex]a+ b= 0[/itex]. Since [itex]ae^x+ be^{2x}= 0[/itex] for all x, differentiating with respect to x, [itex]ae^x+ 2be^{2x}= 0[/itex] for all x and, setting x= 0 again, [itex]a+ 2b= 0[/itex]. Subtracting the first equation from the second, (a+ 2b)- (a+ b)= b= 0. Putting b= 0 in either equation, a= 0. Is that what you are asking?evagelos said:You mean that a and ,b cannot have any other value apart from zero??
In that case you do not have to prove anything because ae^x + be^2x =0
OR given any a,b,x and if [tex]ae^x + be^{2x} =0[/tex] ,then you can prove that the only value a and b can take is zero??
NO! It makes NO sense say "for all a, a= 0"! "If, for all x, ax= 0, then a= 0." It makes no sense to say "for all a" there.g_edgar said:Incomplete. How about this...
[tex]\text{for all } a,\; \text{for all } b\; [(\text{for all } x,\; ae^x + be^{2x} =0)\Longrightarrow ( a=b=0)][/tex]