What Does Up Indice Paired with Up Indice Mean in Relativity Notation?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the notation used in relativity, specifically the implications of indices in the context of a constant electric field and magnetic field as described in a problem from Jackson's Electrodynamics. The original poster seeks clarification on the meaning of an up index paired with another up index.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to interpret the notation involving indices and their roles in forming equations. Some participants suggest that the free index leads to multiple equations, while others clarify the roles of the indices in the equations presented.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the notation and its implications. There is a correction regarding the identification of free and summed indices, indicating a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus has been reached on the original poster's question.

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The problem involves constants for electric and magnetic fields, and the discussion includes considerations of dimensionality and the number of equations generated by free indices. There may be some confusion regarding the notation and its application in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find t(τ), x(τ), y(τ), z(τ) for constant electric field E=E(sinθx+cosθz) and B=Bz, and constant magnetic field where E,B, and θ are all constants.

I haven't seen this notation before, and I really just want to know what it means specifically. I know and up indice paired with a down indice essentially gives an inner product, but I don't really know what an up indice paired with an up indice gives me. So this is equation 12.32 in Jackson Electrodynamics that I'm trying to understand.

Homework Equations


m(d2xα/dτ2)=(e/c)(∂αAβ-∂βAα)(dxβ/dτ)

The Attempt at a Solution


Also, the 4 vector potential that I've already calculated is:

Aα=(-E(xsinθ+zcosθ),-By,0,0) where E, B and θ are all constants.

or Aα=(-E(xsinθ+zcosθ),0,Bx,0) I can't decide which one is more convenient.

I've attached an image of my best guess for what that equation means.
 

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I think its best to think of this way:

Since beta is a free index, you get one equation for each value of beta (so you get 4 equations). In each of those equations, alpha is summed over (it is up for A and down for x). So each one of those equations can now be solved for the four functions you need.

By the way for n free indicides in an equation in dimension d, you get d^n equations. In this case, d=4 and n=1
 
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Brian T said:
I think its best to think of this way:

Since beta is a free index, you get one equation for each value of beta (so you get 4 equations). In each of those equations, alpha is summed over (it is up for A and down for x). So each one of those equations can now be solved for the four functions you need.

By the way for n free indicides in an equation in dimension d, you get d^n equations. In this case, d=4 and n=1
Just a small correction (I am sure it is a typo): it is alpha which is a free index and beta is summed over.
 
nrqed said:
Just a small correction (I am sure it is a typo): it is alpha which is a free index and beta is summed over.

Ohh thanks. Got them flipped xD
 

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