What energy transfer occurs when pushing a boulder without movement?

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The discussion revolves around the energy transfer involved when a person pushes a boulder that does not move due to static friction. Participants explore the implications of work done in this scenario and the nature of energy transfer when no mechanical work is accomplished.

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  • Participants examine the concept of work in physics, questioning how energy is transferred when the boulder remains stationary. They discuss the potential for energy to be converted into heat through muscle exertion and the deformation of materials involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the biochemical aspects of energy expenditure and the conversion of energy into heat. There is a recognition of the complexity of the energy transfer process, although no consensus has been reached on the specifics.

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Participants are considering the definitions of work and energy transfer in the context of static friction and human exertion, highlighting the need for clarity in these concepts. The discussion includes assumptions about energy sources and transformations that are not fully resolved.

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I sort of need help conceptualizing how this energy system would work.

There is a boulder on the ground and a person is attempting to move it by pushing it. However, because of the static friction, the boulder does not move and ultimately, no work is done. However, there must have been some energy transfer since after some time, the person feels tired. If the energy transfer were written as:
Wp - Wf = Wnet (Wp - work done by person, Wf, work done by static friction, and Wnet - net work), then it could be stated as 0 - 0 = 0. I'm assuming this implies that the energy transfer was not mechanical. The problem here is that, if the person doesn't move the boulder, then there is no work done, and since static friction doesn't accelerate the boulder, no work is done by that either. So then, what was the energy transfer going on here? And also, does static friction influence energy systems (does it process energy into heat, etc...?).
 
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You have to be carefull with the physics notion of work and human work.
If you didn't move anything then friction did no work, you could have transferred energy into compressing the boulder, the soles of you shoes and the ground. This would have been converted into heat when you stopped pushing.
 
This is where you get into biochemical stuff. When you exert yourself physically, your muscles are flexed. It takes energy to do this, even if you don't move the rock anywhere. Now think: where must that energy come from?
 
I see...so the energy goes into deforming the rock and shoes, flexing the muscles, and so forth. This energy is then converted to heat. The source of this energy should be biochemical or energy that the person pushing originally retained.
 
Gear300 said:
This energy is then converted to heat. The source of this energy should be biochemical or energy that the person pushing originally retained.

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