What exactly happens when a molecule breaks down due to heat

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The discussion centers on the breakdown of molecules due to heat, specifically focusing on hydrogen molecules in a blast furnace. Participants explore various mechanisms of molecular dissociation, including thermal effects and photon interactions, while examining the energy dynamics involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a hydrogen molecule could break apart due to internal vibrations, collisions with other molecules, or absorption of photons, questioning the frequency of each process.
  • Another participant explains photodissociation as a process where a molecule absorbs a photon, leading to a transition that results in the atoms separating, although noting this is typically not relevant for thermal dissociation.
  • Some participants argue that in a blast furnace, the thermal energy is sufficient to overcome the bond energy of diatomic hydrogen, making thermal dissociation the most probable mechanism.
  • Concerns are raised about the role of molecular size and electrostatic repulsion in the context of collisions, suggesting that the impact location may not significantly affect dissociation.
  • Discussion includes the Boltzmann factor and its implications for the population of vibrational states near the dissociation threshold, with calculations provided for vibrational states and dissociation energy.
  • One participant shares a graphical representation of the energy of binding states as a function of distance, indicating the relationship between vibrational and rotational states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that thermal energy plays a significant role in the dissociation of hydrogen molecules in high-temperature environments like a blast furnace. However, there are competing views regarding the mechanisms of dissociation, particularly the relevance of photodissociation and the impact of molecular collisions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the Boltzmann distribution indicates a low probability of reaching the dissociation energy, yet high collisional frequencies at elevated temperatures may reduce the lifetime of bound states. The discussion also highlights the complexity of energy states and their dependence on temperature.

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Please post this type of questions in HW section using the template and showing your work.
Let's say a molecule of hydrogen ends up in a blast furnace. It breaks into atoms, which then might combine with oxygen or some other element. What killed it?

a. Internal vibration shook it apart.
b. Another molecule smacked it right between the atoms and cleaved it.
c. It absorbed a photon emitted by another atom, which increased its energy level or ionized it, and then I don't know what happens. I know that ionized molecules can still hold together, but I don't know the limit of that.
d. All of the above[, and more]. How frequent would each process be?

My understanding of how bonds work is... improving. This is part of my attempt to understand them.
 
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Easiest to understand is photodissociation: a molecule absorbs a photon by the transition from a bonding orbital to an anti-bonding orbital; electron density goes from between the atoms to the outside. The nuclei feel each other's repulsion, the molecule is then on a dissociating energy surface, and the atoms fly apart. But that is typically in the ultraviolet, does not play a role for thermal dissociation.

Thermally, collisions transfer translational energy to internal vibrations. Sometimes the vibrational energy will become higher than the binding energy and the atoms fly apart.
 
A. Most probable for hydrogen molecules in a "blast furnace." Ambient thermal energy kT is greater than the bond energy and the diatomic hydrogen easily overcomes the energy barrier for diossociation.
B. unlikely. Diatomic hydrogen is very small, and the idea that the location of impact of molecules matters seems to be at odds with the electrostatic repulsion and cloud-like nature of molecules.
C. this is what PK is talking about.
 
Hyo X said:
A. Most probable for hydrogen molecules in a "blast furnace." Ambient thermal energy kT is greater than the bond energy and the diatomic hydrogen easily overcomes the energy barrier for dissociation.
In a furnace, kT might be 0.1 or 0.2 eV, much less than molecular binding energies. But vibrational states get populated, also some of the ones close to the dissociation threshold, with probabilities given by the Boltzmann factor.
 
PietKuip said:
In a furnace, kT might be 0.1 or 0.2 eV, much less than molecular binding energies. But vibrational states get populated, also some of the ones close to the dissociation threshold, with probabilities given by the Boltzmann factor.
highest calculated vibrational state for diatomic hydrogen: 5481 cm-1 = 0.68 eV
Boltzmann distribution at kT = 0.2 eV (2000 Celsius) :: exp(-0.68/0.2)=0.032
diatomic hydrogen dissociation energy: 426 kJ/mol = 4.5 eV per molecule.
http://cccbdb.nist.gov/vibs2.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond-dissociation_energy
 
This is what the energy of the binding state of a diatomic molecule looks like as a function of distance between the atoms (modeled as a Morse potential):
http://i.stack.imgur.com/Srgg1.gif
Vibrational levels are indicated, each of them also has series of rotational states.
The Boltzmann factor to reach the dissociation energy is very small, but collisional frequencies are high, so the lifetime of the bound state goes down at high temperatures.
 

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