What exactly is a hypersurface?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of hypersurfaces, particularly in mathematical contexts. Participants explore definitions, examples, and the implications of dimensionality in relation to hypersurfaces.

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  • Some participants define a hypersurface as the surface of an n-dimensional object, which is an (n-1)-dimensional surface.
  • Others argue that this definition is too limiting, citing examples like the plane ##x=17## as a two-dimensional hypersurface in three-dimensional space, which is not the surface of any three-dimensional object.
  • A mathematical perspective is presented, suggesting that an n-dimensional hypersurface is an n-dimensional submanifold of an (n+1)-dimensional manifold.
  • Participants discuss the implications of definitions, noting that allowing for infinite extent objects, such as half spaces, can influence whether certain surfaces are considered hypersurfaces.
  • There is acknowledgment of the need for both rigorous definitions and intuitive examples in understanding these concepts.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and examples of hypersurfaces, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

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The discussion highlights limitations in definitions and the dependence on the interpretation of "object" in mathematical contexts. There are unresolved aspects regarding the nature of hypersurfaces and their classifications.

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What is hypersurface
 
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Its a surface of something with more than three dimensions. Think of a circle, then a sphere, then a hypersphere. A hypersphere has (at least) one more dimension than a sphere, even though we can't visualize it. The hypersphere's surface is called a hypersurface. You can have a hypercube with a hypersurface. All of these are mathematical objects. :headbang:
 
In general (mathematical) terms, consider an n-dimensional object. Its surface is called a hypersurface of n-1 dimensions.
 
mathman said:
In general (mathematical) terms, consider an n-dimensional object. Its surface is called a hypersurface of n-1 dimensions.

That definition is intuitive but a bit too limiting. For example, the plane ##x=17## is a two-dimensional hypersurface in three-dimensional Euclidean space, but it not the surface of any three-dimensional object.

Mathematically, an n-dimensional hypersurface is an n-dimensional submanifold of an (n+1)-dimensional manifold. Examples include mathman's two-dimensional surface of a three-dimensional sphere; the three-dimensional surfaces of simultaneity (constant t coordinate in a given frame) in four-dimensional space-time; just about any two-dimensional surface, whether curved or flat, in three-dimensional Euclidean space...
 
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That definition is intuitive but a bit too limiting. For example, the plane ##x=17## is a two-dimensional hypersurface in three-dimensional Euclidean space, but it not the surface of any three-dimensional object.

Mathematically, an n-dimensional hypersurface is an n-dimensional submanifold of an (n+1)-dimensional manifold. Examples include mathman's two-dimensional surface of a three-dimensional sphere; the three-dimensional surfaces of simultaneity (constant t coordinate in a given frame) in four-dimensional space-time; just about any two-dimensional surface, whether curved or flat, in three-dimensional Euclidean space...
It depends on the definition of "object". If you allow things of infinite extent, like a half space, then the plane is a surface.
 
mathman said:
It depends on the definition of "object". If you allow things of infinite extent, like a half space, then the plane is a surface.

Indeed it is.
It's conversations like this one that explain why we need the rigorous definitions as well as the intuitive example-based explanations.
 

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