What exactly is a power flicker, and how can it be simulated?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of power flickers in residential power systems, specifically in the context of their characteristics, causes, and methods for simulation using relays. Participants explore the duration and voltage drop associated with flickers, as well as practical approaches to replicate these phenomena.

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  • One participant describes power flickers as brief interruptions in lighting, typically lasting less than half a second, and inquires about the normal voltage drop associated with such events.
  • Another participant shares their experience with circuit breakers in industrial settings, noting that these breakers can cause flickers during lightning strikes and suggests simulating flickers using a momentary switch in series with a relay coil.
  • A different participant mentions that the simulation of flickers may depend on the phase of the voltage at the time of interruption and proposes using a zero crossing trigger along with a delay for accurate simulation.
  • One participant references IEEE standards related to power sag and voltage flicker, indicating that these documents could provide further insights but may require membership for access.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the characteristics and simulation of power flickers, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the best methods or definitions.

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Participants mention specific conditions such as the phase of voltage and the type of relay used, which may affect the simulation of flickers. There is also a reference to the need for access to technical standards that could clarify the discussion further.

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This discussion may be of interest to electrical engineers, technicians working with power systems, and hobbyists looking to understand or simulate electrical phenomena related to power flickers.

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You guys have all seen a tiny flicker in the lights, where they either go dim or shut off completely for a very small period of time - usually less than half a second. It typically does not cause computers to shut down.

What duration of abnormal power is usually associated with this? What voltage drop is normal? (If it helps, I am referring to residential power systems in the US)

Also, does anyone have any quick suggestions on how to simulate this with a few 120VAC relays?
 
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I was working in a plant that made circuit breakers for high tension lines. Their circuit breakers could break and make the circuit up to three times a second and are responsible for the flicker in the lights when lightning strikes. They used a blast of high pressure nitrogen to blow out the arc when the circuit breakers opened.

How much current will be in the circuit you are breaking?

You may be able to simulate it by putting a momentary switch in series with the coil of your relay.
 
The simulated flicker will depend on the phase of the voltage when the interruption occurs. So you may need a zero crossing trigger plus delay. If you use DPDT relays with 6 volt dc coils, a simple RC delay might work. I can inadvertantly cause flicker by turning on a 1 HP single phase motor.
 
There are IEEE standards for power sag, voltage flicker, etc. on AC power mains, as well as ways to characterize their severity and surveys of frequency of occurrence in the US. Here is the main website:

http://www.powerstandards.com/IEEE.htm

Unfortunately, it looks like you need a registration or membership to gain access to the docs. You might see if your local technical library has access...
 

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