What exactly is going on with my integral?

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid obtained by rotating the region bounded by the curve $$y = x - x^2$$ and the line $$y = 0$$ about the line $$x = 2$$. Participants explore different methods for calculating this volume, including the shell method and the disk method, while addressing the limits of integration and the mechanics of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the limits of integration, questioning why the integral is from $$\int^1_0$$ instead of $$\int^2_0$$ when rotating about the line $$x = 2$$.
  • Another participant suggests using the shell method, explaining that the radius of each shell is $$r(x) = 2 - x$$ and provides the corresponding volume element for integration.
  • A further explanation details the disk method, noting the need to consider both branches of the parabola when calculating the outer and inner radii for the washer shape formed by the rotation.
  • Participants discuss the implications of integrating from $$0$$ to $$1$$, with one noting that past $$x = 1$$, the function is below the x-axis and does not contribute additional volume.
  • There is mention of the volume element derived from both methods, leading to different integrals that participants aim to evaluate.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach or the limits of integration, as there are multiple methods discussed with varying implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal method for calculating the volume.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of visualizing the region and understanding the mechanics of the shell and disk methods. There are unresolved aspects regarding the handling of the limits of integration and the conditions under which each method is applied.

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Ex 4: Find the volume of the solid obtained by rotating the region bounded by $$y = x - x^2 $$and $$y = 0$$ about the line $$x = 2$$I did all the algebra, integrated etc etc. But I was thinking that the integral would be from $$\int^2_0$$ since it says about the line $$x = 2$$..How do they get from $$\int^1_0$$? I'm almost positive it has to do with the fact that i am saying $$2 - x$$...But how exactly do I know it's from $$\int^1_0$$. I guess I see the mechanics of what is going on but I don't understand it, or maybe I don't see the mechanics at all and am lost in the dark..Any elaboration would be great. (Malthe)
 
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The region to be revolved extends from $x=0$ to $x=1$ (sketch the graph). I recommend the shell method for this solid of revolution.
 
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Ex 4: Find the volume of the solid obtained by rotating the region bounded by $$y = x - x^2 $$and $$y = 0$$ about the line $$x = 2$$I did all the algebra, integrated etc etc. But I was thinking that the integral would be from $$\int^2_0$$ since it says about the line $$x = 2$$..How do they get from $$\int^1_0$$? I'm almost positive it has to do with the fact that i am saying $$2 - x$$...But how exactly do I know it's from $$\int^1_0$$. I guess I see the mechanics of what is going on but I don't understand it, or maybe I don't see the mechanics at all and am lost in the dark..Any elaboration would be great. (Malthe)
Hello,
we got that $$y=0$$ if we put that into $$y=x-x^2$$ we get $$0=x-x^2=> x_1=0, x_2=1$$
Well like Mark Said, it is better to draw!:)
Have a nice day!
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We can "slice and dice" the region under consideration two ways:

Shell method: in this method we are going to integrate over $x$ using "very thin shells" (cylinders, approximately).

The center of each shell will be at $x = 2$, and the radius will vary from 2 (when $x = 0$) to 1 (when $x = 1$), because the radius of each shell is:

$r(x) = 2 - x$.

The surface area of each shell is:

$2\pi r(x)f(x)$

where $f(x) = x - x^2$, so our volume element that we integrate over will be:

$dV = 2\pi r(x)f(x)dx = 2\pi (2-x)(x - x^2)dx$

yielding the integral:

$\displaystyle V = 2\pi\int_0^1 (2x - 3x^2 + x^3)\ dx$

The solid of revolution itself looks like the "top half" of a doughnut, with a "hole" in the middle that extends from $x = 1$ to $x = 3$. We *could* integrate from 0 to 2, but after $x = 1$ we are "in the hole" and there's no additional volume to add, because we are actually integrating using the function:

$g(x) = \max(f(x),0)$

(past $x = 1$ the parabola is below the $x$-axis, and "outside the boundary").

Disk method: in this method we are actually integrating over $y$ (slicing parallel to the $x$-axis). This isn't as pretty, because now we have two radii, and "getting the radii right" is more of a chore.

So let's look at the parabola $y = x - x^2$ as if $y$ is the independent variable.

Solving for $x$ in terms of $y$ we get:

$x = \frac{1}{2} \pm \sqrt{\frac{1}{4} - y}$

Hopefully it's clear that the positive square root corresponds to the "top" branch of the parabola (when viewed with the $y$-axis horizontally), and the negative square root is the "lower" branch" (we have to consider these two branches, because otherwise we do not get a function of $y$).

The "lower branch" corresponds to the OUTER radius of our disk (well, we actually get a "washer" shape, not a disk, that is to say: an annulus). The "upper branch" corresponds to the inner radius.

The area of each washer is going to be:

$\pi(R(y)^2 - r(y)^2)$

where:

$R(y) = 2 - \left(\frac{1}{2} - \sqrt{\frac{1}{4} - y}\right) = \frac{3}{2} + \sqrt{\frac{1}{4} - y}$

and:

$r(y) = 2 - \left(\frac{1}{2} + \sqrt{\frac{1}{4} - y}\right) = \frac{3}{2} - \sqrt{\frac{1}{4} - y}$

so our volume element in this case will be:

$dV = \pi(R(y)^2 - r(y)^2)dy = 6\pi\sqrt{\frac{1}{4} - y}\ dy$

leaving us with the somewhat ugly integral to calculate:

$\displaystyle V = 6\pi\int_0^{1/4} \sqrt{\frac{1}{4} - y}\ dy$

If you get the same answer both ways, it's likely it is correct :)
 

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