What exactly is mathematical research?

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The discussion centers around the nature of mathematical research, particularly in the context of pure mathematics. Participants explore what constitutes research in mathematics, contrasting it with research in other fields and sharing personal experiences and insights.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the nature of mathematical research, suggesting it may seem secretive or inaccessible.
  • One participant humorously suggests that mathematical research could involve absurd claims, like proving that pi equals 3.
  • A scenario is presented involving three researchers discussing a proof, highlighting the collaborative and sometimes contentious nature of research.
  • Another participant describes mathematical research as primarily focused on proving theorems and solving complex problems, recommending exploration of mathematics journals for examples.
  • One viewpoint emphasizes that mathematical research involves problem finding and solving, suggesting it is an extension of skills developed in coursework.
  • A participant shares a personal experience of developing a simpler approach to a theorem, illustrating how new insights can emerge from existing work.
  • There are questions about the knowledge gap between a PhD graduate and a bachelor's degree holder in mathematics, with responses varying from humorous to vague.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact nature of mathematical research, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the understanding of mathematical research may depend on personal experiences and the specific areas of mathematics being considered.

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I am a high school senior now and I would love to pursue a career in math.

I have been doing some research on the track from undergrad to grad school to tenure, and there's one thing I don't quite understand: research.

I understand what research might be for life sciences or social studies, but what exactly does pure mathematical research consist of?

Please be specific.

Thanks in advance.
 
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No one is sure. They do not let us into their secret world.

Or maybe they're trying to prove that pi = 3.
 
Pengwuino said:
No one is sure. They do not let us into their secret world.

Or maybe they're trying to prove that pi = 3.

Or that it terminates.
 
I love to say this, and I shall say this again.

If you know what you're doing, then it wouldn't be called research!
 
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This scenario consists of 3 Mathematics Professors:
Researcher A, Researcher B, and Researcher C.

1) Researcher A constructs a shortcut proof that a 3-hyperbola convex cone is compact.
2) Researcher A shows his friend Researcher B and they get very excited and begin to giggle.
3) Researcher C shows that the 5th step in the proof is a non sequitur in light of the 2nd premise.
4) Researcher B publishes the entire story in the CJM.
5) They all continue to make minimum wage.
 
"Mathematical research" consists primarily of proving theorems, finding ways of solving difficult differential equations or other problems. You don't say if you are at a college or university now. If you are, go over to the school library and look at some of the mathematics journals where such research is published.
 
It is simply problem finding and problem solving. Sometimes this requires generating new methods of solution. Thus it is merely an enhanced version of what you have been doing in all your math classes. To improve, start trying to generate further problems based on the problems you are asked to solve in your courses.

check out this blog, by an eminent researcher: http://terrytao.wordpress.com/career-advice/
 
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Try the Dyscalculia website and forum
Source(s)
 
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E.g. in my own case, once I gave a talk on simplified approaches to a certain well known theorem and developed a simple set of hypotheses that allowed a general proof. It was traditional to assume a little more than I did, and also to conclude a little more. But with my own simpler hypotheses in mind, I noticed that there was another more general situation where my smaller set of hypotheses still held, but not the usual larger set. This mindset of most other people, of assuming they needed more assumptions, had prevented them from proving an analogous theorem in the new situation, but allowed me to prove one, only slightly weaker than in the classical situation. This was not a shocking result and some experts had probably thought of it as well, but not published it. Still it was publishable new research, and it led me to conjecture some stronger and better results later proved by other people.

So learning thoroughly some good existing work, and then thinking about how to use that understanding in a new situation, is one type of research work.
 
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I have another question

How much more knowledge does a new phd graduated math person have in math compared to a person who just graduated from a 4 year math program?
 
  • #13
kramer733 said:
How much more knowledge does a new phd graduated math person have in math compared to a person who just graduated from a 4 year math program?

Six.

Seriously, what kind of answer would answer that question?
 
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kramer733 said:
I have another question

How much more knowledge does a new phd graduated math person have in math compared to a person who just graduated from a 4 year math program?

A lot more.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Six.

Really? I would have thought 42. :wink:
 
  • #16
Vanadium 50 said:
Six.
jtbell said:
Really? I would have thought 42. :wink:

Same answer, just different units...
:smile:
 
  • #17
awww c'mon. It wasn't that bad a question, just badly phrased. I think the poster would like to know what we could say generally about the expectation of grad students in math vs. someone with a bachelor's degree. I've heard that encountering grad school classes for the first time can be a bit of shock.

-DaveKA
 

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