What Happens If an Object Exceeds the Speed of Light?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of objects exceeding the speed of light and the implications of massive objects in the universe, particularly in relation to gravitational effects on galaxies. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, including the size and mass of such objects, their gravitational influence, and the feasibility of constructing large-scale structures in a science fiction context.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the phrasing of the original question regarding objects exceeding the speed of light, noting that speed and size are not directly comparable.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of an object so massive that it could influence the motion of galaxies, with some arguing that such an object would likely collapse into a black hole due to its own gravity.
  • Participants propose that if an object could avoid collapsing under its own gravity, it might still exert gravitational influence on other galaxies.
  • One participant mentions the cumulative nature of gravity, explaining that all mass contributes to gravitational attraction, albeit on a minuscule scale for individual masses.
  • There is speculation about the potential for advanced civilizations to manipulate gravity or construct massive objects, with references to science fiction scenarios.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the technical aspects of gravitational forces and the implications of electron interactions in gravity.
  • Discussions include references to existing astronomical objects and theoretical constructs, such as massive stars and hypothetical structures like Dyson spheres or ring worlds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of constructing massive objects or the implications of gravity. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of gravity, the size and mass of objects, and the potential for advanced civilizations to manipulate these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the nature of gravity, the definitions of objects, and the scale of mass required to influence galactic motion. There are unresolved technical details regarding gravitational collapse and the interaction of mass at different scales.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring theoretical physics, cosmology, science fiction writing, and the conceptual understanding of gravity and mass in the universe.

  • #31
Subluminal said:
The metal rod thing could easily be tested since we've been able to directly measure the speed of light in a lab for over 100 years and getting better at it ever since. A 2ly long rod connecting comoving planets would still have some other issues to work out obviously.

What's there to test? We know how fast shock waves travel. We know exactly what would happen with such a rod. It certainly wouldn't be ftl communication.
I'm glad I got a big juicy nibble on my 2012 joke. Of course I was referring to the date when the Planck Spacecraft, launched years ago by the ESA, provides us with its first complete sky survey. I thought this forum might be the correct place to discuss data from the Planck, but maybe our little monkey brains aren't as ready as I'd hoped.

If it's valid research then it's fine, but attempting to subtly insult the people here is not.
 
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  • #32
Get over yourself! The writings of Galileo, Einstein and many other respected scientists are loaded with thinly veiled insults towards those who disagreed with them. Since you enjoy doing it too, consider yourself in good company.
 
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  • #33
Subluminal said:
Get over yourself! The writings of Galileo, Einstein and many other respected scientists are loaded with thinly veiled insults towards those who disagreed with them. And if you enjoy doing it too, consider yourself in good company.

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In other words, don't insult the people here. It's not needed.
 
  • #34
Originally Posted by Subluminal

"The characters in your story about such a massive machine would encounter some interesting effects on how time changes relative to how people far away from the machine (or distant points within it) observe time. Signals eminating from the center would be red shifted, infalling signals would be blue shifted. Read up on GPS satellites and GR."

Ive thought about that, if we looked in the star and saw an object the size of hundreds of thousands of galaxies, what would it look like from far away or even on its surface? Like the surface of Earth going on past the solar system? I understand red/blue shift when i comes to the expansion of the universe, but let's say we were using entangled photons for a quantum computer (just read a great article on our first photon entanglement and its use in quantum computers http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110120111039.htm), what would red/blue shift do to the computer processes? Faster information going outward but not inward? Ya, I am impressed by the timing signals we use for the satellites, to think about the combined human effort we put into GPS.
 
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