What happens if C is faster than the speed of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of a hypothetical scenario where something travels faster than the speed of light (C) as defined in the theory of relativity. Participants explore theoretical possibilities, quantum mechanics, and the potential effects on existing physics, mathematics, and concepts such as causality and entanglement.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that C represents the maximum speed of information transmission and question the effects on physics if something were to exceed this speed.
  • Others suggest that certain quantum phenomena may imply faster-than-light transmission, though they acknowledge that these do not allow for the transfer of usable information.
  • One participant discusses the implications for special relativity (SR) and general relativity (GR), noting that faster-than-light travel would challenge established notions of causality.
  • There are claims that quantum entanglement does not facilitate information transfer, as the outcomes are probabilistic and do not allow for controlled communication.
  • Some participants reference recent advancements in quantum teleportation and the potential for transmitting quantum states, while others express skepticism about the feasibility of such methods for practical communication.
  • A participant raises the possibility that if light were not massless, it could lead to different speeds for different frequencies, affecting the interpretation of E=mc².

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the implications of faster-than-light travel or the nature of quantum entanglement. Some agree on the challenges posed to current theories, while others highlight differing interpretations and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics, the unresolved status of faster-than-light phenomena, and the complexities surrounding causality in relativistic frameworks.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring theoretical physics, quantum mechanics, and the philosophical implications of faster-than-light concepts.

  • #31
Imagine if we lived on a two dimensional plane, and we had NO understanding whatsoever of a height dimension.
With that in mind:
What if a 3 Dimensional being put a ring (vertically) through our two dimensional plane? We would have NO way of knowing that it was actually a ring. Instead, we would see two separate "dots or lines" from each side if the ring that appear on our plane. To us as 2 dimensional beings, we would see two separate dots that would seem to have no connection BUT if we were to "move" one of the dots, the other one would move with it instantaneously! When is reality we may be moving the ring sideways, it would appear to us as two dimensional beings that the second dot (other side of the ring) was moving instantaneously even though on another dimension they are part of the same thing. We may describe what was happening as "information" moving faster than the speed of light, when in reality, the two dots are part of the same thing (the ring) just in a higher dimension.
Maybe nothing is faster than the speed of light and the transfer of information between to entangled atoms, is really an illusion, when they may actually be part of the same thing in a higher dimension?
Just a way I like to describe it to people who may be unfamiliar with QM.
 
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  • #32
If you push one part of a ring, the other part does not begin to move within faster-than-light time. This is a common misconception about solid objects. The movement will propagate with the speed of sound. In everyday objects, this is so quickly that you do not notice the delay, but it is there.

Apart from that, your ring would probably ruin the complete 2-dimensional world by making it 3-dimensional.
 
  • #33
bcrowell said:
If you start from the assumption that spacetime is symmetric in certain sensible ways (in particular, symmetry between different frames of reference), then you get either special relativity or Galilean relativity. In SR, there is some invariant speed, which we call c.

If we assume special relativity, then via the lorentz transform, the relative speed between any two objects has a maximum constant value. This value also happens to be the speed of light.

If you measure something faster then the maximum (ie c) then the geometry breaks down, special relativity breaks down, and so does much of physics for the past century.
 
  • #34
Your right, hadn't thought of that in terms of this issue. In that case Relativity would still be violated. Good point.
Unless matter (and light) could propagate faster in another dimension that has a different set of laws...obviously that's just philosophical. Good point though!
 

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