What Happens If Oxygen Completely Grips Water's Electrons?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical implications of oxygen's attraction to water's electrons, particularly what would occur if this attraction were increased to the point of completely gripping the electrons. Participants explore the nature of water's polarity, ionization, and the behavior of hydrogen protons in various contexts, including acid-base reactions and electrolysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the consequences of oxygen having a stronger attraction to electrons, speculating on whether hydrogen would remain bonded or leave entirely.
  • Another participant notes that water is slightly ionized, with some molecules splitting into H+ and OH- ions.
  • A third participant discusses the concept of reversible reactions in the context of water ionization, mentioning the equilibrium between H2O, H+, and OH-.
  • There is a suggestion that if protons were removed, hydroxide ions would remain, indicating a potential change in the chemical composition of water.
  • A later reply raises the question of whether it is possible to remove both hydrogen protons from water, leading to a mention of electrolysis as a method to achieve this.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding water's ionization and the behavior of protons, with some agreeing on the reversible nature of reactions while others explore the implications of removing protons. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the theoretical scenario posed in the initial question.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as pH, ionization, and electrolysis without reaching a consensus on the implications of increasing oxygen's electron attraction or the complete removal of hydrogen protons.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying chemistry, particularly in the areas of acid-base reactions, water chemistry, and electrolysis.

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I like the human example better than the general Wikipedia, so here goes the question:

We all know water is polar yes? Meaning the Oxygen nucleus attracts the electrons more than the Hydrogen nuclei.

So my question being, if you could in theory increase that attraction, make that attraction stronger, enough so that the oxygen has a complete grip on those electrons, and probably enough to repel the Hydrogen protons, what would happen?

Would the Hydrogens stay at all costs with it's electrons, or would it simply leave? And then what would the oxygen atom which would be stable wouldn't it?

If this seems an obvious question, my defense is that I come from a school where knowing what a proton is, gets you an A.
 
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We all know water is polar yes? Meaning the Oxygen nucleus attracts the electrons more than the Hydrogen nuclei.
Water is ionized slightly, even if pure; i.e. some molecules split into H+ and OH-.
 
In an acid like HCl, there are a large nujmber of H+ ions where the electron has left the proton. The relative number of H+ ions is described by the PH.
 
We usually seem to think of reactions as going one way. In actual truth, many real life reactions happen both ways.

For, as mathman said, *Water is ionized slightly because the reaction: [tex]OH^{-} + H^{+}[/tex] To [tex]H_2O[/tex] works both ways. The vast majority goes to H20, but some go backwards to Hydroxide and Hydrogen ions. To find out the exact ratio of the reactions, you need to do some calculations to work out a value commonly represented by K.

* When I said water, it was ordinary everyday water. Pure Water is exactly that, 100% H20. It is not practical, but if it is called PURE water, then that's what it is.

A H+ is simply a lone proton. High numbers of these causes acidity, which is why it is described by pH, Potency of Hydrogen.

Basically, to your question, The proton would leave, and a hydroxide ion will be left over.
 
Ah, that would make sense. We only covered pH as Hydronium and Hydroxide.
I never really thought of water having a two-way reaction. And I wasn't sure if you could actually remove the proton by itself.

That said, is it possible to remove Both hydrogen protons?
 
That said, is it possible to remove Both hydrogen protons?

Electrolysis does that, at one terminal you get hydrogen gas, at the other oxygen gas.
 

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