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Wes Tausend said:Swartzchild
You might as well get his name right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Schwarzschild
Wes Tausend said:Swartzchild
No. I was thinking of the photo's of the eclipsed sun taken by Eddington to help Einstein prove GR. Background star light passing near the sun appeared to move (displace) out since the light path was curved by curved spacetime. Since this pass-by effect is largely localized nearer the gravity source, but inversely lessened further away from the gravity source, I imagine it has the effect of "cratering" a "spacetime rim" of all nearby background light, including bright stars, into a concentrated ring of slightly brighter magnitude. I expect that this "rim" effect is an effect greatly magnified more rim-like by a powerful gravity source such as a BH as opposed to a sun-sized star. I did not mean the formal Chwolson Ring that Einstein once noted by any single bright star in a perfectly concentric sight line with the gravitational body.timmdeeg said:Saying straight line, have you this scenario in your mind?
Star and two equally sized black holes form an equilateral triangle and on the opposite side the same with an observer instead of the star. Both triangles are in the same plane.
Wes Tausend said:I imagine it has the effect of "cratering" a "spacetime rim" of all nearby background light, including bright stars, into a concentrated ring of slightly brighter magnitude.
Wes Tausend said:By dim background glow, I mean that I believe the entire sky is evenly covered by nearly invisible direct distant starlight from somewhere (barring another BH dark spot).
Wes Tausend said:I my defense for answering like this, the original question itself was very general, seeming to look for a simple response, or observation. My post was what I thought to be an appropriate (though less than precise) simple expected answer.
Well, the calculations of my colleagues in Frankfurt, related to the "image of a black hole" taken by the event-horizon telescope, indeed use relativistic magnetohydrodynamics and imaging techniques to predict what's to be expected to be "seen":PeterDonis said:Indeed it would. I don't know of any attempt to do it, since, as you say, it would require all the computations that are done for LIGO, plus additional ray propagation computations on top of that.
vanhees71 said:the calculations of my colleagues in Frankfurt, related to the "image of a black hole" taken by the event-horizon telescope, indeed use relativistic magnetohydrodynamics and imaging techniques to predict what's to be expected to be "seen"
Very good, vanhees! Rereading the original post, this is exactly the sort of BASIC info I expect the original poster was looking for.vanhees71 said:Well, this is also done by my colleagues (even for the more complicated case of neutron-star mergers, which are even more interesting to us as relativistic nuclear physicists, because it's telling us many more details about the equation of state of strongly interacting matter):
https://relastro.uni-frankfurt.de/neutron-star-physics/
https://relastro.uni-frankfurt.de/gallery/
Wes Tausend said:Rereading the original post, this is exactly the sort of BASIC info I expect the original poster was looking for.
PAllen said:I actually think the following is more what the OP and many people are looking for
Wes Tausend said:I almost think that it would be better to retain the B status of an interesting amateur question and start a new Intermediate thread on the same intriguing subject rather than change the thread scope to "I" midstream.