What Happens to Baseball When Light Speed is Just 88 MPH?

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario where the speed of light is set to 88 miles per hour, exploring its implications on a baseball game. Participants analyze the timing and perception of events in this altered framework, particularly focusing on the interaction between the pitcher and the batter.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates that with a speed of light of 39.3 m/s, the batter would take 0.47 seconds to recognize the pitch, while the ball would take 0.61 seconds to reach him, leading to a perceived contradiction with relativity.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem resembles a homework assignment and notes that there are specific rules for such discussions on the forum.
  • A different viewpoint proposes redefining the units of measurement to maintain consistency with the altered speed of light, suggesting that the problem can be solved using ordinary units while keeping the speed of light at its conventional value.
  • One participant raises a concern about the apparent contradiction with relativity, questioning how the batter perceives the ball traveling faster than light and drawing parallels with the perception of light and sound propagation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the batter, being knowledgeable, understands that the pitch has already occurred by the time he sees it, thus accounting for the total travel time of the ball and the propagation delay due to the finite speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the scenario for relativity and the nature of perception versus reality. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the results or the validity of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of light and perception, as well as the potential for redefined units of measurement. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of these changes on the understanding of relativity.

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Okay, so the problem is that I'm supposed to analyze what the world would look like if the speed of light is 88 miles per hour (BTTF tribute), and so I naturally looked at the basics of baseball: the pitch. Yet something seemed wrong.

So, imagine playing baseball. For this problem, the pitcher and the batter are not moving with respect to each other. The batter prepares to bunt. Since the speed of light is 39.3 m/s, and the distance between the batter and the pitcher is 18.4 m, it will take (18.4m)/(39.3m/s) = 0.47 seconds before the batter even recognizes that the pitcher is throwing the ball. For that half second the event of pitching is in the elsewhere of the batter; he watches the wind-up as the pitcher marvels at his excellent pitch! Let’s say that, because of the increased effective mass of the ball at higher speeds, the pitcher can throw a fastball 30 m/s (67 mph) with respect to the players. This means it takes 0.61 seconds to reach the batter. Unfortunately, he had detected that it was pitched just 0.15 seconds before! That is not sufficient time to provide a useful reflex.

Yet doesn’t this seem to contradict relativity? It appears to the batter that the ball travels 18.4 meters in just 0.15 seconds, three times faster than the speed of light! What went wrong?

This would relate to the real world, because by the same math (that is somehow erroneous; I don't know), there would be a speed less than C in which the batter would observe the ball going faster than C.
 
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This sounds like a homework problem (certainly I've seen instructors assign this as a problem). PF has a special section for these with some special rules.
 
Note that the value of c isn't relevant in physics, it merely (partially) defines the system of units (or vice versa) and the whole point of units is that you can choose them as you please. So, in this problem you can just as well set c back to it's original value and then take the unit of length to be a redefined meter (let's call it meter') so that

c = 39.3 m'/s

Then express meter' in ordinary meters and you can solve the problem in ordinary units where c has the usual value of 299792458 m/s.
 
DarkMetroid said:
Yet doesn’t this seem to contradict relativity? It appears to the batter that the ball travels [..] faster than the speed of light![..]?
By the same logic, it "appears" that light travels instantly. And it "sounds" as though sound also travels with infinite velocity.
 
DarkMetroid said:
Yet doesn’t this seem to contradict relativity? It appears to the batter that the ball travels 18.4 meters in just 0.15 seconds, three times faster than the speed of light! What went wrong?
The batter (being a well-educated batter) knows the speed of light and (being a professional ball player) knows the distance to the mound. So he knows that when he sees the pitch it already happened .61 s earlier. So he knows that the total travel time of the ball is .76 s, not .15 s.

With all the importance of the speed of light it is a common misconception that relativity deals with the way things "look". Relativity is about what really happens, and propagation delays caused by the finite speed of light are always taken into account.
 

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