What happens to magnets when electricity is applied?

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The discussion explores the effects of applying electricity to magnets, specifically focusing on permanent magnets such as neodymium and ferrite. Participants consider the interplay between electric and magnetic fields, the behavior of magnetic domains, and the implications of introducing current into a magnetic material.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the outcome of applying voltage to a permanent magnet, suggesting that both magnetic and electric fields would be present, with their configuration depending on the magnet's geometry.
  • Another participant speculates that introducing the magnet into a circuit could lead to a short circuit, as the magnet is essentially a conductive material.
  • A different viewpoint discusses the behavior of ferromagnets, noting that below the Curie temperature, magnetic domains are spontaneously magnetized, and a current may not significantly alter the net magnetic field unless a very strong current is applied.
  • This participant also explains that conduction electrons contribute to magnetization, and while they migrate through the material when voltage is applied, the alignment of dipoles within a domain may remain unaffected.

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Participants express differing opinions on the effects of electricity on magnets, with no consensus reached regarding the specific outcomes or the conditions under which changes might occur.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the strength of the current required to affect magnetization and the specific configurations of electric and magnetic fields in relation to the geometry of the magnets.

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What happens If we give elecric to a magnet ?
 
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Do you mean what happens when one takes a permanent magnet (neodymium or ferrite) and attaches some voltage to it ?
 
Yes,exactly
 
well most likely there would be the magnetic field and the electric field from the potential added.
Normally the electric field lines are perpendicular to the magnetic ones.
The way the field lines would go out also depends on the geometry of the magnet.

although I'm not sure what happens wen you would switch that magnet into a circuit aka make the magnet as part of a conductor running a current through it , because magnetism is due to the electrons ligned up but when current runs might line up differently but I am not sure someone else has to comment on this one.
 
well considering the magnet is just a lump of conductive metal
you are likely to just short circuit the power supply

Dave
 
I think it is not so simple to say what happens, but here is my guess. For ferromagnets the net field is due to a large enough number of the magnetic domains in the material becoming aligned, but below the Curie temperature all the domains will be spontaneously magnetised, whether the net field is strong or not. The interactions which cause this spontaneous ordering are really quite strong, so I don't think a current flowing through the material would be enough to mess it up unless perhaps it was a super-strong current (though I don't know).

To clarify further; in many ferromagnetic materials I believe the conduction electrons are indeed the ones responsible for the magnetisation, since the outer shell electrons tend to be the ones that end up in the conduction band, and it is these electrons that cause the magnetisation (the inner shell ones are all paired up and cancel out each others magnetic dipoles). These electrons migrate through the material when a voltage is applied, but I expect that within a domain they interact to (on average) line up all their dipoles regardless of their net movement. So I predict that there will be no measurable change in the net magnetic field when such a current is applied :p. Maybe you will notice something if you use a very sensitive magnetometer though.
 

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