What Happens to Photon Momentum When Light Travels Through Different Mediums?

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The discussion centers on the behavior of photon momentum when light travels through different mediums, exploring theoretical implications and interpretations related to momentum in various contexts, including vacuum and refractive media.

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  • Some participants assert that photons have zero rest mass and possess momentum at the speed of light, referencing specific equations to derive this concept.
  • Others challenge the interpretation of momentum when light travels through a medium, suggesting that the speed of light is not simply slower but involves absorption and re-emission processes at the atomic level.
  • One participant points out that the formula for momentum applies to massive particles and proposes that for photons, momentum should be expressed as p = E/c, where E is the energy.
  • There is a discussion about the mathematical implications of dividing by zero, with participants providing examples to illustrate their points.
  • Another participant mentions finding papers on the momentum of light in refractive media, noting that the momentum of light is not the only consideration, as the motion of atoms in the medium also contributes to the overall momentum.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of photon momentum in various mediums, with no consensus reached on the interpretations or implications of the equations discussed.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of momentum in different contexts, the unresolved nature of mathematical expressions involving division by zero, and the complexity of light-matter interactions in refractive media.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying optics, quantum mechanics, or anyone exploring the properties of light and its interactions with different materials.

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So, photons have zero rest mass, but they never stand still so they have momentum at the speed of light, i quite understand that, and i think it can be derived from this:

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If we plug in v=c in the gamma factor then it turns out that light has some momentum p=(0*c)/0 which is a constant.
But c is the speed of light in vacuum, what if light travels through a medium in which light travels slower than c, then p=(0*v)/gamma, where gamma is not 0 so p=0.

What is going wrong here?
 
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What's wrong with that is that 0/0 is NOT equal to 1. It does not exist; you cannot divide by 0.
As for non-vacuum, it isn't quite right to say that the speed of light is slower. More precisely, light moves at the speed of light (in vacuum) between atoms, is absorbed by an atom, then, a tiny time later, is ejected from the atom so that the average speed through the material is slower.
 
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flyerpower said:
So, photons have zero rest mass, but they never stand still so they have momentum at the speed of light, i quite understand that, and i think it can be derived from this:

[PLAIN]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/2/d/d2dec44ba56c41a31b4d334b144b51d6.png[/QUOTE]
That formula only applies to massive particles, for which the speed v is always less than c. For photons, momentum is given by p = E/c (where E is the energy).
 
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HallsofIvy said:
What's wrong with that is that 0/0 is NOT equal to 1. It does not exist; you cannot divide by 0.

If we plug x=1 in (x-1)/(x^2-1) = 0/0, if we plug in x=0.9 it returns ~0.52, and for x=1.1 it returns ~0.47, and if we want the defined value for that when we plug x=1, we reduce the expression to 1/(x+1) which gives 0.5, so it's a constant. Wouldn't it work in that case too?
 
I've found a number of interesting-sounding papers on the topic of the momentum of light in a refractive medium. Frustratingly, I can't access them in their entirety. Amongst what I found are:

"The momentum of light in a refractive medium" , Peierls, two papers
http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/347/1651/475.abstract http://www.jstor.org/pss/79058 http://www.jstor.org/pss/79317

Also, a more recent http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v104/i7/e070401 (and a physicsworld.com article citing it that was ... not very well written.)

Peierls makes the interesting observation that it's not only light that caries the momentum when an electromagnetic wave travels through a medium - motion of the atoms in the medium (or of the medium itself in the continuum approximation) are also generated, in particular acoustic waves (which I assume could also considered to be phonons).

It'd be nice to see a full treatment of the problem that was accessible.

[add]http://www.opticsinfobase.org/aop/abstract.cfm?uri=aop-2-4-519 also looks interesting.
 
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