What Happens to the Buoyant Force on a Beach Ball When Submerged?

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The discussion revolves around the buoyant force experienced by a beach ball when it is submerged in water. The beach ball is made of thin plastic and filled with air, and the problem explores how the buoyant force changes as the ball is taken from the surface to the bottom of a pool.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the beach ball being made of plastic that is not stretched and how this relates to the buoyant force. There are questions about the compressibility of the gas inside the ball compared to the water, and whether the buoyant force can decrease if both the ball and water are considered incompressible.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the compression of the beach ball and the surrounding water, with some suggesting that the buoyant force decreases as the ball is submerged deeper. There is acknowledgment of the differences in compressibility between gases and liquids, and some participants affirm the reasoning presented regarding the buoyant force and its dependence on the volume displaced.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the compressibility of the materials involved, particularly the air in the beach ball and the water, as well as the implications of Archimedes's Principle in this context.

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Homework Statement


A beach ball is made of thin plastic. It has been inflated with air but the plastic is not stretched. BY swimming with fins on, you manage to take the ball from the surface of a pool to the bottom. Once the ball is completley submerged, what happens to the buoyant force exerted on the beach ball? (a) Increases (b) Remains constant (c) decreases (d) Impossible to determine

Homework Equations


Archimedes's Principle: The magnitude of the buyant force on an object always equals the weight of the fluid displaced by the object.
B=ρfluidgVdisplaced

The Attempt at a Solution


I think the key words in this question is that the plastic is not stretched. The answer is, apparently, the buoyant force decreases. I think this reason for this is that the ball is compressed more as the depth increases meaning, by Archimedes principle, the buoyant force decreases. But from a previous question on here, doesn't that also mean the water is compressed with depth meaning more water is displaced with depth? I am assuming that the amount the water is compressed is negligible compared to how much the beach ball is compressed. Am I correct with this?

Also, the question never mentions the ball of water being compressible. I am wondering if this answer is still possible assuming everything is incompressible. If so how? I thought by Archimedes principal that the buoyant force remains constant as depth increases assuming the volume displaced and density of water remains constant with depth.

Thank you,

Ethan
 
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Liquids compress VERY little in comparison to any gases... I think you have the right idea, as the ball is submerged deeper, the gas inside it is compressed at a far faster rate than the surrounding water, thus volume decreases, and subsequently buoyancy as well.
 
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Rx7man said:
Liquids compress VERY little in comparison to any gases... I think you have the right idea, as the ball is submerged deeper, the gas inside it is compressed at a far faster rate than the surrounding water, thus volume decreases, and subsequently buoyancy as well.

Thank you,

I am assuming by your answer that it's not possible for the buoyant force to decrease if everything is incompressible?
 
I think that would be right...

If you filled your beach ball with water, it would have 0 buoyancy at any depth since both are compressing at the same rate.
 
Ethan Godden said:

Homework Statement


A beach ball is made of thin plastic. It has been inflated with air but the plastic is not stretched. BY swimming with fins on, you manage to take the ball from the surface of a pool to the bottom. Once the ball is completley submerged, what happens to the buoyant force exerted on the beach ball? (a) Increases (b) Remains constant (c) decreases (d) Impossible to determine

Homework Equations


Archimedes's Principle: The magnitude of the buyant force on an object always equals the weight of the fluid displaced by the object.
B=ρfluidgVdisplaced

The Attempt at a Solution


I think the key words in this question is that the plastic is not stretched. The answer is, apparently, the buoyant force decreases. I think this reason for this is that the ball is compressed more as the depth increases meaning, by Archimedes principle, the buoyant force decreases. But from a previous question on here, doesn't that also mean the water is compressed with depth meaning more water is displaced with depth? I am assuming that the amount the water is compressed is negligible compared to how much the beach ball is compressed. Am I correct with this?

Definitely.
Also, the question never mentions the ball of water being compressible. I am wondering if this answer is still possible assuming everything is incompressible. If so how? I thought by Archimedes principal that the buoyant force remains constant as depth increases assuming the volume displaced and density of water remains constant with depth.
This is correct. And you already correctly judged that the ball (filled with air) would compress much more than the water. So your assessment was totally correct.
 
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