What happens to the charge and amount of energy stored?

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The discussion revolves around a charged parallel plate capacitor connected to a battery, specifically examining the effects of doubling the separation between the plates on the charge and energy stored in the capacitor.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationships between charge, capacitance, voltage, and energy stored in the capacitor, questioning how changes in plate separation affect these variables. There is confusion regarding whether the voltage remains constant and how it influences energy calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the relationships among the variables, noting that the voltage remains unchanged despite changes in plate separation. Others express confusion about the implications of this on energy and charge, indicating a productive exploration of the topic without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the capacitor's connection to a battery and the resulting constraints on voltage and capacitance as the plate separation changes. There is mention of conflicting information regarding energy calculations, contributing to the overall uncertainty in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A charged parallel plate capacitor is connected to a battery. The plates of the capacitor are pulled apart so that their separation doubles. What happens to the charge and the amount of energy stored by the capacitor?

Homework Equations


Q = cV
Ue = (1/2)(Q)^2 / c
\Delta V = Qd/A\varepsilon_0
C = A\varepsilon_0 / d

The Attempt at a Solution



If Q = c\Delta V

and plugging in for c

Q = \Delta V A \varepsilon_0 / d

Is our original Q, now if D is separated by 2, we get

(1/2)Q = \Delta V A \varepsilon_0 / 2d, thus our Q has been halved.

Now if potential energy = (1/2c) (Q)^2

so doubling our distance halves our capacitance. 2d = (1/2) c

which in turn, increases our potential energy by a factor of 2.

But my book is telling me Ue is halved. Why is this??
 
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I think I can alter the equation

Ue = (1/2c) (Q)^2

to

Ue = (1/2) c(V)^2

and then plugging in for C you get that the energy is halved.

But I just don't get how for one equation its halved, then for the other its doubled.

V can also be expressed by distance too, so the mindfuck adds on there.

Like for finding when D is doubled, finding charge,

Q = cV

well, C = Aepsilon /d , but V = Qd/ Aepsilon

So doubling the separation wouldn't do a thing here since the d's cancel out

I'm pretty confused guys. If anyone can point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it rn.
 
Is it maybe that I'm mistaken, and that \Delta V actually doesn't change, since it depends on the batteries voltage no matter what even if the distance is being changed between the plates?
 
Rijad Hadzic said:
Is it maybe that I'm mistaken, and that \Delta V actually doesn't change, since it depends on the batteries voltage no matter what even if the distance is being changed between the plates?
That's correct. The voltage across the capacitor remains unchanged, but since the distance between the plates is doubled, the capacitance is halved.
 

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