I What Happens When a Rigid Body with a Fixed Point Moves Along a Closed Path?

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A rigid body with a fixed point can move along a closed path on a unit sphere, causing its axes to rotate relative to their initial positions. When the axis Oz returns to its starting point, the other two axes, Ox and Oy, will be rotated by an angle that corresponds to the area enclosed by the curve traced by Oz on the sphere. This relationship suggests that the angle of rotation is equivalent to the area, modulo 2π. The discussion references the Gauss-Bonnet theorem and Euler angles as potential tools for proving this concept. The mechanics of the situation illustrate how the relative orientations of the axes can change while maintaining their plane alignment.
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Today I read a book in mechanics and encountered a funny proposition about rigid body with fixed point. Perhaps somebody will be interested to propose it to students as a task. This proposition is almost correct:)

Consider a rigid body with a fixed point ##O##. Let ##Oxyz## be a coordinate frame connected with this rigid body. Consider a unit sphere with center at ##O## as well. Now let us move the body from the initial position such that the axis $Oz$ describes a closed curve (without self-crossings) on the sphere and the projection of body's angular velocity on ##Oz## is equal to zero identically. It turns out that when the axis ##Oz## comes to the initial position other two axes will be rotated relative their initial position. The angle of rotation equals (up to the sign) the area of a figure drawn by the axis ##Oz## on the sphere.
 
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I don't know too much about mechanics, but how can an angle be equal to an area? Or am I not understanding it correctly?
 
wrobel said:
unit sphere
 
Sorry now I'm confused by units also.
The (origin-fixed) coordinate frame wanders about the unit circle such that the z axis draws a simple closed curve. Are you saying the inside wedge between the previous x-axis and the new x-axis has an area equal to the simple closed curve drawn on the sphere?
 
Once ##Oz## returns to its previous position, ##Ox## and ##Oy## must still define the same plane as at the start, but may be rotated from their starting positions within that plane. Meanwhile the area is that enclosed by the curve drawn on the sphere. For instance consider the simple case where ##\boldsymbol{\omega} = k \mathbf{e}_y## such that ##Oz## and ##Ox## rotate about the axis ##Oy##. When ##Oz## returns to its original position the curve bounds an area of a hemisphere, ##2\pi##, which is modulo ##2\pi## the same as the angle by which ##Ox## and ##Oy## are rotated from their original positions, ##0##.

I don't know how to prove the general case. Gauss-Bonnet theorem?
 
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I don't know how to prove the general case. Gauss-Bonnet theorem?
Oh no! It is simple. Just Euler angles and formula for the area in terms of integral along the boundary curve
 
wrobel said:
Today I read a book in mechanics and encountered a funny proposition about rigid body with fixed point. Perhaps somebody will be interested to propose it to students as a task. This proposition is almost correct:)

Consider a rigid body with a fixed point ##O##. Let ##Oxyz## be a coordinate frame connected with this rigid body. Consider a unit sphere with center at ##O## as well. Now let us move the body from the initial position such that the axis $Oz$ describes a closed curve (without self-crossings) on the sphere and the projection of body's angular velocity on ##Oz## is equal to zero identically. It turns out that when the axis ##Oz## comes to the initial position other two axes will be rotated relative their initial position. The angle of rotation equals (up to the sign) the area of a figure drawn by the axis ##Oz## on the sphere.
What do you mean by the angle of rotation of the other axes?

Let's consider a simple 360° rotation around Ox. The area enclosed on the unit sphere is 2π. All body axes return to their initial orientations, so their relative rotation is zero. Of course Oy has traversed 2π, but Ox was fixed all the time.
 
I mean that if ϕ is the angle of rotation then either ϕ=S(mod2π) or −ϕ=S(mod2π), where S is the area.
 
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All body axes return to their initial orientations, so their relative rotation is zero. Of course Oy has traversed 2π, but Ox was fixed all the time.
Finally the axes x,y are in the same plane as they were before the moving. There are two coordinates frames (the initial frame and the final frame) rotated about z relative each other. The angle of this rotation is equal to the area in the sense of the previous post. Actually it has already been explained by etotheipi
 
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