What happens when the integrand approaches zero in an integral?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of integrals when the integrand approaches zero, particularly in the context of dummy variables and probability density functions (pdfs). Participants explore the implications of limits and the nature of integration in mathematical expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to handle an integral when the integrand approaches zero, specifically asking about the limit as x approaches zero in the integral \int_a^b f(c+x) \, dx.
  • Another participant clarifies that x is a dummy variable in the integral, suggesting that the limit does not apply as it does not affect the outcome of the integral.
  • A later post introduces a more complex integral involving two functions, \int f(c+x)h(x)dx, and raises questions about the behavior of the integral as x approaches zero, particularly in the context of probability.
  • Further, a participant discusses a probability expression and questions whether the denominator approaches one as x approaches zero, suggesting that the dependence on f(c) might be eliminated.
  • Another participant reiterates the point about x being a dummy variable and explains that after integration, the result depends only on the bounds of the integral, not on the variable of integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that x is a dummy variable in the context of integration, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of limits and the behavior of specific integrals involving probability density functions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific behavior of the probability expression as x approaches zero.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the functions involved, particularly in the context of probability density functions and their behavior under limits. The dependence on definitions and the nature of dummy variables in integrals is also a point of contention.

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Hi All,

i got a short question. if i have an integral an let the integrand approach zero, how do i handle that?

e.g.:
[int][tex]\int_a^b \! f(c+x) \, dx.[/tex]

what happens if lim(x->0) ?
Maple still computes the integral as if nothing has happened...

thanks all

edit: can't get the integral sign to work...
 
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There is no variable x to take the limit of.
Note that in
[tex] \int_a^b \! f(c+x) \, dx,[/tex]
x is a dummy variable. When you evaluate the integral, you will get something which doesn't depend on x anymore, just on - in this case - a, b and c.

It's like asking, what happens when you take the limit of x -> 0 of 1/2, and wondering why Maple still gives 1/2.
 
Hi again,

im still a bit puzzled by this. what happens when
\int f(c+x)h(x)dx is the according integral? Consider f and h to be pdfs.

thanks again
 
more detailed i got a probability:

P=[tex]\int_{a}^{b}f(c+x)h(x)dx/(\int f(c+x)h(x)dx)[/tex]

I was now told that as x approaches zero the denominator approaches one because we can eliminate the resulting f(c)...

or is it just a misstatement?
 
Note that [tex]x[/tex] is a dummy variable in the integral.

Equivalently, writing as follows may make it clearer:
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \int_{a}^{b} f(c + x) dx = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \int_{a}^{b} f(c + y) dy[/tex]

That's why "there is no [tex]x[/tex] for you to take limit".

Or, loosely speaking, after performing integration, you will "remove the dependence of the integrator variable, leaving the integral depending on the upper and lower bound", i.e. [tex]\int_{a}^{b} f(x)dx = g(a,b)[/tex].

Hope this helps.
 
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