What Happens When Two Blocks Collide on a Frictionless Surface?

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The discussion revolves around a collision problem involving two blocks on a frictionless surface, specifically focusing on momentum conservation and kinetic energy calculations. The original poster presents two scenarios: one where the blocks bounce apart and another where they stick together after the collision.

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  • Participants explore momentum calculations for both blocks before and after the collision, questioning the final velocity of the large block and the kinetic energy lost in the second scenario. There is also discussion about the method to find the final velocity when the blocks stick together.

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Some participants confirm the correctness of calculations and provide feedback, while others express confusion regarding the kinetic energy calculations, particularly in determining the final velocity of the combined blocks. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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The problem involves assumptions about an idealized frictionless environment and the conservation of momentum and energy, which are central to the discussion. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of the collision types on energy loss.

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Homework Statement


A small block m=4kg and a large block m=12kg have a head on collision on a frictionless table. Before the collision, the small block is traveling 8m/s to the right and the large block is traveling 4m/s to the left.

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A. If the small block bounces back at 3m/s to the left, find the final velocity of the large block.

B. Suppose instead the two blocks stick together after they collide. How many Joules of energy would be lost?

Homework Equations



p=mv

KE=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}

The Attempt at a Solution



I will define to the right to be the positive x direction.
First I will calculate initial momentum for both blocks.

p_{i a}=mv
p_{i a}=(4kg)(8m/s)
p_{i a}=32kg m/s

p_{i b}=mv
p_{i b}=(12kg)(-4m/s)
p_{i b}=-48kg m/s

p_{i}=-16kg m/s

Now final momentum:

p_{f a}=mv
p_{f a}=(4kg)(-3m/s)
p_{f a}=-12kg m/s

p_{f b}=mv
p_{f b}=(12kg)v
p_{f b}=12v

p_{f}=-12kg m/s + 12v

If momentum is conserved, then

p_{i}=p_{f}

-16kg m/s=-12kg m/s + 12v

v=\frac{-1}{3}
 
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So far you are correct. Is there a question you wish to ask?
 
Oh, great. I had a feeling I was on the wrong track.

For part B, I need to find the energy. It is all Kinetic.KE_{i}=\frac{1}{2}mv_{a}^{2}+\frac{1}{2}mv_{b}^{2}

KE_{i}=\frac{1}{2}(4)(8)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}(12)(4)^{2}

KE_{i}=128+96

KE_{i}=224J

Now the final kinetic energy is where I am getting confused.

KE_{f}=\frac{1}{2}mv_{a}^{2}+\frac{1}{2}mv_{b}^{2}

How can I find the velocity of the two blocks?
 
Actually, for part B I did it another way:

p_{i}=32+-48

p_{i}=-16

p_{f}=16v


p_{i}=p_{f}

-16=16v

v=-1m/s, or 1 m/s to the left


KE_{i}=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}+\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}


KE_{i}=\frac{1}{2}(4)(8)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}(12)(4)^{2}


KE_{i}=224J


KE_{f}=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}


KE_{f}=\frac{1}{2}(16)(1)^{2}


KE_{f}=8J


KE_{i}-KE_{f}=E_{lost}

KE_{i}-KE_{f}=E_{lost}

224-8=E_{lost}

E_{lost}=216J
 
That looks about right.
 

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