What Happens When You Multiply a Vector by Its Gradient Squared?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical operation involving a vector and its gradient squared, specifically the expression V(gradient squared)V. Participants explore the implications and interpretations of this operation in the context of vector calculus, particularly as it relates to the Physics GRE.

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  • One participant seeks to understand the meaning of V(gradient squared)V, suggesting it might simply be the gradient of V but is unable to prove it.
  • Another participant clarifies that the notation V(gradient squared) is commonly referred to as "del squared" and discusses its application to scalar and vector functions.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of specifying the type of vector product (dot product or cross product) when interpreting the expression V(gradient squared)V.
  • One participant proposes that if it is a dot product, the expression can be expanded in terms of the components of the vector and their respective second derivatives.
  • Another participant suggests that it could also represent an outer product, leading to a matrix representation of the operation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the expression V(gradient squared)V, with multiple competing views on whether it represents a dot product, cross product, or outer product.

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The discussion highlights the ambiguity in the notation and the need for clarity regarding the type of vector product involved, as well as the application of the Laplacian operator to vector components.

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No, this isn't for homework. I'm trying to brush up on gradients for the Physics GRE. Let's say I have vector V.

What is V(gradient squared)V ?

In english, if I multiply the vector to the gradient squared of the same vector, what is that? I'm thinking that it'd just be the gradient of V, but I can't seem to prove it.

Thanks!
 
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\vec{V}\nabla^2\vec{V}? That is commonly called "del squared". "gradient" is specifically \nabla f where f is a scalar valued function. "curl f" is \nabla\times \vec{f} where f is a vector valued function, and "div f" is \nabla\cdot \vec{f}.

Now, \nabla^2= \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}+ \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}+ \frac{\partial }{\partial z^2} (in Cartesian coordinates) is also, strictly speaking, applied to a scalar function but it is not uncommon to see it applied to a vector meaning \nabla^2 applied to each component.

That is, if
\vec{v(x,y,z)}= f(x,y,z)\vec{i}+ g(x,y,z)\vec{j}+ h(x,y,z)\vec{k} then

\nabla^2 \vec{v}(x,y,z)= \nabla^2f \vec{i}+ \nabla^2g\vec{j}+ \nabla^2h \vec{k}

a vector. But to say what "\vec{v}\nabla^2\vec{v}" means we would still have to know what kind of vector product that is- dot product or cross product?

If that is dot product and \vec{v}(x,y,z)= f(x,y,z)\vec{i}+ g(x,y,z)\vec{j}+ h(x,y,z)\vec{k} then
\vec{v}\cdot \nabla^2\vec{v}= f(x,y,z)\nabla^2 f(x,y,z)+ g(x,y,z)\nabla^2 g(x,y,z)+ h(x,y,z)\nabla^2h(x, y, z)

If, instead, it is the cross product then
\vec{v}\times\nabla^2\vec{v}= \left(g(x,y,z)\nabla^2h(x,y,z)- h(x,y,z)\nabla^2g(x,y,z)\right)\vec{i}- \left(f(x,y,z)\nabla^2h(x,y,z)- h(x,y,z)\nabla^2f(x,y,z)\right)\vec{i}+ \left(f(x,y,z)\nabla^2g(x,y,z)- g(x,y,z)\nabla^2f(x,y,z)\right)\vec{k}
 
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It might also, Halls, be an outer product, i.e a matrix
 
Good point. In that case it would be
\begin{bmatrix}f(x,y,z)\nabla^2f(x,y,z) & f(x,y,z)\nabla^2g(x,y,z) & f(x,y,z)\nabla^2h(x,y,z) \\ g(x,y,z)\nabla^2f(x,y,z) & g(x,y,z)\nabla^2g(x,y,z) & g(x,y,z)\nabla^2h(x,y,z) \\ h(x,y,z)\nabla^2f(x,y,z) & h(x,y,z)\nabla^2g(x,y,z) & h(x,y,z)\nabla^2h(x,y,z)\end{bmatrix}
in the x, y, z, coordinate system.
 

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