What Incline Is Needed for a Toboggan to Slide Downhill?

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The problem involves determining the minimum incline angle required for a toboggan to slide down a hill, given the coefficients of static and kinetic friction. Additionally, it seeks to find the angle needed for the child to accelerate at half the rate of gravity.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the minimum incline angle using forces and friction equations, expressing uncertainty about their approach and seeking confirmation. Other participants suggest recalculating forces for the second part and question the absence of a specified acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's calculations for the first part, while others provide guidance on how to approach the second part. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary acceleration and its implications for calculating the angle.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of given acceleration, leading to a discussion about whether to use half of the gravitational acceleration as a substitute.

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Homework Statement



On a cold day, a 35kg child takes a 3.5 kg toboggan to a snowy hill to slide down it. There is Us = 0.15 and Uk=0.05 between the hill and the toboggan. What is the minimum incline required before the toboggan will slide? What angle is required for the child to accelerate at half the rate of gravity?

The Attempt at a Solution



Given:
Us (coefficient of static friction) = 0.15
Uk (coefficient of kinematic friction) = 0.05

Ff (force of friction) = -X-component of Weight (mg)
Fn (normal force) = - Y-component of weight (mg)

therefore...
Ff = -mgCos[tex]\theta[/tex]-------- 1
Fn = -mgSin[tex]\theta[/tex]-------- 2

From equation 1

mg = - Ff / Cos[tex]\theta[/tex] ----- 3

Sub in 3 into 2

Fn = - (-Ff/Cos[tex]\theta[/tex] )( Sin[tex]\theta[/tex] )
Fn = FfTan[tex]\theta[/tex]

Minimum angle required for the object to slide is Critical Angle.. (therefore theta now represents critical angle)

--> Fn= FfTan[tex]\theta[/tex] ------ 4

Ff = UsFn ---------5

Sub in 5 into 4

Fn = UsFnTan[tex]\theta[/tex]

Fn / UsFn = Tan[tex]\theta[/tex]

Tan[tex]\theta[/tex] = 1 / Us

Tan[tex]\theta[/tex] = 1 / 0.15

-----> Tan[tex]\theta[/tex] = 6.67
[tex]\theta[/tex] = Tan-1(6.67)
[tex]\theta[/tex] = 81.5

So therefore 81.5 degrees is the minimum incline required for the toboggan to slide.. I think that's the answer to the first part of this problem.. I am not too sure though because I'm in grade 11 and haven't been taught much about such types of problems. Can someone please help me do the second part and check if i did the first part right.. i would really really appreciate it.
 
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It looks like you've done the first part correctly; it's a somewhat unconventional approach but works just fine!
For the second part, you'll have to use the equation sum of forces= mass*acceleration. Recalculate the forces using the acceleration and mass given, the y-components of the forces will still add to zero so calculate the x-component of the force. Then work backwards to calculate theta.
Hope this helps.
 
i get that but the problem i face is .. there is no given acceleration =(
 
or do i use half of g (9.81/2) as the given acceleration ?
 
Yep, the given acceleration is just (9.8/2) m/s^2 or 4.9 m/s^2
 

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