What is a point of using complex numbers here?

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The discussion revolves around the use of complex numbers in a mathematical exercise involving the product of two complex numbers. The participants demonstrate that while complex numbers can simplify the proof of the equality \(MN = p^2 + q^2\), the same result can be achieved through straightforward algebra without them. They highlight that the properties of complex modulus provide a concise way to arrive at the conclusion. However, some participants question the necessity of using complex numbers, suggesting that simpler algebraic methods suffice. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the balance between complexity and simplicity in mathematical proofs.
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Homework Statement
"Here is a basic fact about integers that has many uses in number theory: If two integers can be expressed as the sum of two squares, then so can their product. With the understanding that each symbol denotes an integer, this says that if ##M = a^2 + b^2## and ##N = c^2 + d^2##, then ##MN = p^2 + q^2##. Prove this result by considering ##|(a + ib)(c + id)|^2##."
Relevant Equations
##|x+iy|^2 = x^2 + y^2##
Firstly, the exercise itself is not difficult:
On one hand, $$|(a + ib)(c + id)|^2 = |a + ib|^2|c + id|^2 = (a^2 + b^2) (c^2 + d^2) = MN.$$
On the other hand, ##(a + ib)(c + id) = p+ iq## for some integers p and q, and so $$|(a + ib)(c + id)|^2 = |p + iq|^2 = p^2 + q^2.$$
Thus, ##MN = p^2 + q^2.##

However, it can be done quite straightforwardly, without considering the complex numbers, e.g.,
$$MN = (a^2 + b^2) (c^2 + d^2) = a^2 c^2 + a^2 d^2 + b^2 c^2 + b^2 d^2 =$$$$a^2 c^2 + a^2 d^2 + b^2 c^2 + b^2 d^2 + 2abcd - 2abcd = $$$$(a^2 c^2 + 2abcd + b^2 d^2) + (a^2 d^2 - 2abcd + b^2 c^2) =$$$$(ac + bd)^2 + (ad - bc)^2 = p^2 + q^2.$$

I don't see an advantage of considering the complex numbers in this case. What am I missing?
 
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You could prove this slightly more easily by using the properties of the complex modulus. The required algebra is already encapsulated in the equation ##|zw|^2 = |z|^2|w|^2##.
 
PeroK said:
You could prove this slightly more easily by using the properties of the complex modulus. The required algebra is already encapsulated in the equation ##|zw|^2 = |z|^2|w|^2##.
Thank you. I thought I've used it in this line:
$$|(a + ib)(c + id)|^2 = |a + ib|^2|c + id|^2 = (a^2 + b^2) (c^2 + d^2) = MN.$$
Is there something else there that I didn't use and that could simplify it further?
 
Hill said:
Thank you. I thought I've used it in this line:
$$|(a + ib)(c + id)|^2 = |a + ib|^2|c + id|^2 = (a^2 + b^2) (c^2 + d^2) = MN.$$
Is there something else there that I didn't use and that could simplify it further?
That looks simpler than the alternative to me.
 
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