What is an orthogonal chart in the context of Gaussian Normal Coordinates?

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The discussion centers on Gaussian Normal Coordinates and their relationship to orthogonal charts within the context of Riemannian and semi-Riemannian geometry, particularly in general relativity. Participants explore definitions, properties, and examples of these coordinates, as well as related concepts like orthogonal curvilinear coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe Gaussian normal coordinates as having a specific metric form, which includes a time coordinate measuring proper time for stationary observers and being orthogonal to spatial coordinates.
  • Others note that various types of normal coordinates exist in Riemannian and semi-Riemannian geometry, emphasizing that these charts are not unique and can approximate the metric near a fixed point using curvature components.
  • One participant mentions that Gaussian normal coordinates are often referred to as synchronous coordinates, citing their use in cosmology.
  • Another participant discusses orthogonal charts, suggesting that they may refer to charts where the metric is diagonalized, contrasting this with examples like the Schwarzschild and Eddington charts.
  • There is mention of the lack of diagonal charts in certain models, such as the Kerr vacuum.

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Participants express varying interpretations of Gaussian normal coordinates and orthogonal charts, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on definitions or applications.

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Some participants reference specific texts for definitions and examples, indicating that understanding may depend on the context and definitions used in different sources.

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What are Gaussian Normal Coordinates?
 
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Gaussian normal coordinates have a metric of the form

<br /> ds^2 = -dt^2 + g_{ij} dx^i dx^j<br />

This implies that:

1) the t coordinate measures proper time of "stationary" observers, i.e. observers with constant spatial coordinates.

2) the time coordinate is orthogonal to the space coordinates (more precisely, the vector \partial / \partial t is orthogonal to all of the vectors \partial / \partial x^i )

These are also known as synchronous coordinates, a common example from cosmology is comvoing coordinates.
 
quantum123 said:
What are Gaussian Normal Coordinates?

There are various kinds of "normal coordinates" used in Riemannian geometry (positive definite metric tensors) and semi-Riemannian geometry (allows indefinite metric tensors, such as occur in Lorentzian manifolds as used in general relativity).

In Riemannian geometry, the idea is to fix a point P and to construct a chart in which metric tensor assumes the usual flat space Euclidean form at P, with the Christoffel coefficients and first partials of the metric components all vanishing at P, so that the quadratic deviation of the metric at points near P are given in terms of the components of the curvature tensor at P. It is important to understand that such charts are not unique; what is important is that near P, the metric can be approximated by the curvature components at P. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_normal_coordinates

In general relativity, Riemann normal coordinates are often used as a technical device in various places, and Fermi normal coordinates are also useful at times. See section 3.1-3.2 of http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2004-6/title.html#articlese3.html for more about Riemann and Fermi normal coordinates.

pervect said:
Gaussian normal coordinates have a metric of the form

<br /> ds^2 = -dt^2 + g_{ij} dx^i dx^j<br />

I've only seen that usage in the book by Wheeler and Cuifolini, Inertia and Gravitation. Most people would just call these synchronous coordinates.
 
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Chris Hillman said:
I've only seen that usage in the book by Wheeler and Cuifolini, Inertia and Gravitation. Most people would just call these synchronous coordinates.

MTW uses it too, that's where I looked it up. (See pg 717).
 
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Here I stand, corrected, not unlike a normal vector on a surface

pervect said:
MTW uses it too, that's where I looked it up. (See pg 717).

So they do! Thanks for reminding me.
 
While we're on this topic, what are orthogonal curvilinear coordinates? I briefly encountered them a while ago & learned to take gradients etc, but I'm looking for a more detailed treatment.
 
In this context, an "orthogonal chart" probably means a chart in which the metric appears "diagonalized", e.g. the Schwarzschild chart is diagonalized but the Eddington chart is not (because of the "cross-terms" du \, dr, which signify that the coordinate vectors are "skew", i.e. non-orthogonal).

Many models, e.g. the Kerr vacuum, possesses no "diagonal" charts.
 

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