What is curvature? (multivariable calculus)

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The discussion centers around the concept of curvature in the context of multivariable calculus, specifically focusing on the mathematical definition of curvature for space curves and its graphical interpretation. Participants explore the relationship between curvature, the unit tangent vector, and the notion of fitting a curve to a circle.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of curvature as κ≡dT/dS and seeks an intuitive graphical explanation of dT/dS in relation to the unit tangent vector.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for curvature as κ = ||dT/ds|| and explains that curvature can be understood as the reciprocal of the radius of a locally fitted circle.
  • A follow-up request for clarification on how κ = ||dT/ds|| leads to the relationship with 1/r is made, indicating a desire for a more detailed derivation.
  • A link to an external resource on the osculating circle is shared, which is suggested to provide intuition about the extrinsic curvature of a curve in the plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definition and implications of curvature, with some agreeing on the mathematical formulation while others seek further clarification and derivation. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different aspects of the concept.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of curvature and the conditions under which the relationships hold. The mathematical steps leading to the connection between curvature and the radius of the osculating circle are not fully resolved.

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if space curve C=<f(t),g(t),h(t)>, and

v=\frac{dC}{dt}=<\frac{df(t)}{dt},\frac{dg(t)}{dt},\frac{dh(t)}{dt}>

Why is curvature defined this way? κ\equiv\frac{d\widehat{T}}{dS}

\hat{T}=unit tangent vector
S=arc length

to elaborate, for a space curve, i understand what \frac{dT}{dt} is, but what is \frac{d\widehat{T}}{dS}? please explain this to me in an intuitive way, as in what it graphically represents.

wiki says that the "cauchy defined the curvature C as the intersection point of two infinitely close normals to the curve"

okay so how is this any different from \frac{dT}{dt}?
 
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$$\kappa = \left\|\frac{d\mathbf{T}}{ds}\right\|$$

So at a point we fit the curve (locally) to a circle. The curvature is the reciprocal of the radius of that circle. We think of a small circle as very curved so it has high curvature. A large circle is slightly curved so it has low curvature.
 
lurflurf said:
Is this what you mean?
$$\kappa = \left\|\frac{d\mathbf{T}}{ds}\right\|$$

So at a point we fit the curve (locally) to a circle. The curvature is the reciprocal of the radius of that circle. We think of a small circle as very curved so it has high curvature. A large circle is slightly curved so it has low curvature.

alright, i have no problem with the curvature being defined that way, but could you show me how $$\kappa = \left\|\frac{d\mathbf{T}}{ds}\right\|$$ means that? ie.. could you show me how $$\kappa = \left\|\frac{d\mathbf{T}}{ds}\right\|$$ directly leads 1/r?
 

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