What is done in the second line of the product rule proof?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding a specific step in the proof of the product rule for derivatives as presented in "Mathematical Methods for Physicists" by Riley and Hobson. Participants explore the rationale behind the derivation and the definition of the derivative itself.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of calculating ##f(x+\Delta x) - f(x)## in the proof, seeking clarification on its purpose.
  • Another participant emphasizes the definition of the derivative, stating it describes the rate of change of one function with respect to another.
  • A subsequent reply corrects a previous description of the derivative, providing the formal definition involving the limit as ##\Delta x## approaches zero.
  • There is a suggestion to set ##f(x)=v(x)u(x)## and apply the definition of the derivative to prove the product rule.
  • One participant expresses understanding after receiving clarification on the derivative's definition and the proof approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the approach to proving the product rule and the interpretation of the derivative. No consensus is reached on the necessity of the specific calculation mentioned.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the proof and the specific steps involved in applying the derivative definition to the product rule.

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What has done here in the second line of the proof for product rule?, from Mathematical methods for physicists from Riley, Hobson
they defined f(x)=u(x)v(x) and these steps are given,
I have no idea how to proceed further please help me.
 

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Do you know why they bothered to work out ##f(x+\Delta x) - f(x)## at all?
I mean: what's the point?

How would you normally go about proving the product rule - if you didn't have the example from Riley and Hobson?
i.e. do you know the definition of the derivative?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Do you know why they bothered to work out f(x+Δx)−f(x)f(x+\Delta x) - f(x) at all?
I mean: what's the point?
I don't know

Simon Bridge said:
How would you normally go about proving the product rule - if you didn't have the example from Riley and Hobson?
i.e. do you know the definition of the derivative?
yes, derivative is the rate of one function to another function, it actually says how fast one function changes with respect to other, am I right?
 
yes, derivative is the rate of one function to another function, it actually says how fast one function changes with respect to other, am I right?
Not exactly ... that was the description of what the derivative is, not the definition. The definition is: $$f^\prime(x) = \lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\frac{f(x+\Delta x) - f(x)}{\Delta x}$$ ... this gives the derivative of f(x) with respect to x.

To prove the product rule, first set ##f(x)=v(x)u(x)## then apply the definition to f.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
Not exactly ... that was the description of what the derivative is, not the definition. The definition is: $$f^\prime(x) = \lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\frac{f(x+\Delta x) - f(x)}{\Delta x}$$ ... this gives the derivative of f(x) with respect to x.

To prove the product rule, first set ##f(x)=v(x)u(x)## then apply the definition to f.
got it. Thank you
 
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