What is dy/dx and how does it relate to derivatives?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dy/dx in the context of derivatives, exploring its meaning and the terminology associated with differentiation. Participants are clarifying the distinction between the derivative operator and the function itself.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the definition of dy/dx and its role as a derivative. Questions are raised about the terminology, specifically the difference between "differential" and "differentiable" functions, and the proper use of terms like "operator" and "function."

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications and engaging in terminology checks. Some have offered insights into the nature of functions and operators, while others are questioning the implications of these definitions.

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the meaning of "dy/dx

Homework Statement


I am unsure of what dy/dx means when used in derivatives. However, I do know that it is called the derivative operator and have been told its the derivative of y relative to x, but could someone elaborate this for me?


Homework Equations


an example equation might be dy/dx = x2 + 4x + 4


The Attempt at a Solution


I have been told that its called the derivative operator and that it is the derivative of y relative to x.
 
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I wasn't too sure if this would be considered a homework question. If someone could let me know so I can start posting in the correct section, that would be helpful. :smile:
 


vanmaiden said:

Homework Statement


I am unsure of what dy/dx means when used in derivatives. However, I do know that it is called the derivative operator and have been told its the derivative of y relative to x, but could someone elaborate this for me?


Homework Equations


an example equation might be dy/dx = x2 + 4x + 4


The Attempt at a Solution


I have been told that its called the derivative operator and that it is the derivative of y relative to x.

dy/dx is the derivative of y with respect to x, where y is assumed to be a differentiable function of x.

dy/dx is not an operator - it is a function. d/dx is an operator that is applied to a differentiable function. A function takes a number as its input, and produces a number as its output. In contrast, an operator takes a function as its input, and produces a function as its output.
 


Mark44 said:
dy/dx is the derivative of y with respect to x, where y is assumed to be a differentiable function of x.

dy/dx is not an operator - it is a function. d/dx is an operator that is applied to a differentiable function. A function takes a number as its input, and produces a number as its output. In contrast, an operator takes a function as its input, and produces a function as its output.

To get my terminology straight, would a differential function be a derivative? please elaborate. Thank you.
 


vanmaiden said:
To get my terminology straight, would a differential function be a derivative? please elaborate. Thank you.
Do you mean "differentiable" function? If so, that's a function that can be differentiated; i.e., one that has a derivative. A differential is something different.
 


Mark44 said:
Do you mean "differentiable" function? If so, that's a function that can be differentiated; i.e., one that has a derivative. A differential is something different.

Yes, exactly what I meant. Thank you
 


There's something of a disconnect in the terminology that is used in English. To get the derivative of a function, we differentiate it (we don't derive it). If the function has a derivative, it is differentiable (not derivable). Go figure.
 


That's because the concept of a differentiable function for functions with more than variable is more stringent than the simple existence of the partial derivatives.
 


Mark44 said:
There's something of a disconnect in the terminology that is used in English. To get the derivative of a function, we differentiate it (we don't derive it). If the function has a derivative, it is differentiable (not derivable). Go figure.

Fascinating. Therefore, what would one consider deriving a function?
 
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In the context of this thread (differentiation and the derivative), "deriving a function" has no meaning.

In a different context, one can start from observations and derive a general formula, but this is unrelated to differentiation.
 
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Though my question was off-topic, thank you for answering it anyway.
 
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