What is Intelligence? - 2 Points Explored

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The discussion explores the concept of intelligence, including its definition, biological underpinnings, and factors contributing to exceptional performance in fields like physics. Participants examine both theoretical and experiential aspects of intelligence, as well as the relationship between brain structure and cognitive abilities.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that intelligence may be linked to the amount of gray matter and the organization of neurons, suggesting that a different arrangement could lead to more efficient thinking.
  • Others argue that intelligence is an abstract problem-solving ability, with no single standard definition, leading to various interpretations.
  • One participant suggests that intelligence is influenced by both biological factors and experiential learning, noting that children encouraged to explore tend to perform better on intelligence tests.
  • There is a claim that intelligent individuals may have a greater number of connections between neurons, although this is questioned by others seeking references for such assertions.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between body size and brain size, with one noting that while larger brains are found in some animals, this does not necessarily correlate with higher intelligence.
  • A later reply mentions that intelligence could be related to the complexity of bodily functions, as seen in animals with multiple limbs, which adds both scale and complexity to their cognitive tasks.
  • There is a reference to Roger Penrose's work on intelligence, creativity, and consciousness, suggesting ongoing exploration in these areas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the definition and nature of intelligence, with no consensus reached on its biological versus experiential components or the implications of brain structure.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the relationship between brain size, neuron connections, and intelligence remain theoretical and are not universally accepted. The discussion also highlights the lack of a standardized definition of intelligence, leading to varied interpretations among participants.

  • #31
AhmedEzz said:
So you eventually concluded that intelligence is a measure of number of connections between neurons, or the number of neurons or the density of neurons? Also, do the neurons communicate at the same speed or do the transmitters sometimes 'rush' and sometimes 'slack'? This can be relevant to sleep, don't know.

Not really. My point was about the optimisation of connectivity in the non-linear dynamics sense. The tipping point, criticality, etc.

The idea is that the brain is a "lively" hierarchy which is good at shifting from one adaptive state to the next.

Scalefree networks do give you optimal number of input connnections to output connections and such like. So instead of raw numbers of connections, it is about having the best balance of connections to be poised and maximally responsive. The U-curve found in psychological experiments that show best performance comes somewhere along the spectrum from low arousal to high arousal. That sort of thing.
 
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  • #32
Is that your field of study/work or did you read that somewhere? If the latter, would you direct me to what you read, if there is not one text, would you drop keywords.
 
  • #33
Psychology, neuroscience, human evolution, consciousness, was my specialty for about 10 years, then the last 10 it has been complexity and systems science.

The ideas I'm talking about are still on the bleeding edge so no popular science level references come to mind.

But if you explain exactly your level of interest and purpose, I could certainly point to some of the literature. Perhaps PM me if that is more appropriate.
 
  • #34
Frozen Light said:
I have two points I'm thinking about here...

1. What is intelligence?

JoeDawg said:
Abstract problem solving ability.

That's what I was thinking. Intelligence is the consumption by so much abstract problem solving that one neglects important things in life, which is really a stoopid thing to do.
 
  • #35
Frozen Light said:
I have two points I'm thinking about here...

1. What is intelligence? .. If a person is said to be more intelligent than another, does he have more gray matter? Are neurons organized in a different arrangement allowing for more efficient thinking; a more efficient pattern of application of those neurons?

2. What makes a great physicist? How can one or two individuals think so much more clearly over the unknown than hundreds of others?

Intelligence is when you get nerds in pocket protectors to do all the work then you get paid for it. Then you have time to post to forums at 4:30am in the morning and visit the State Hermitage's website...

At least that's what they told me at the Junior College I attended...
 
  • #36
swat4life said:
Intelligence is when you get nerds in pocket protectors to do all the work then you get paid for it. Then you have time to post to forums at 4:30am in the morning and visit the State Hermitage's website...

At least that's what they told me at the Junior College I attended...

so what kind are you?
the one in the pocket or the other way round?:rolleyes:
 
  • #37
I should think that a definition of intelligence should include a capacity or 'knack' for learning. I wouldn't know how to go about measuring it, however.
 

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