What is L^2Ψ for a 3px state of a H-atom?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the 3px state of a hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on the measurement of total orbital angular momentum and the implications of quantum numbers associated with this state.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the meaning of measuring total orbital angular momentum in the context of the 3px state, questioning the appropriate wavefunction to use and the complexity of the integral involved. Other participants inquire about the definition and quantum numbers of the 3px state, with some suggesting that the problem may be more conceptual than computational.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the 3px state and its quantum numbers, with some guidance offered regarding the nature of the orbital angular momentum measurements. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the eigenvalues of L^2 and the implications of different m values.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted uncertainty regarding the specific wavefunction to use for the 3px state due to the presence of multiple m values. Participants are also discussing the potential complexity of the integral involved in calculating L^2Ψ.

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Awesome forum here!

I'm stuck on a homework problem and need some guidance.

A H-atom exists in a 3px state. What would be the result of measuring the total orbital angular momentum of this state (e.g. 100 measurements)?

I assume when they say 100 measurements that they mean the expectation value? If so there is now the problem of which wavefunction to use as a 3px state has three due to m = -1, 0, +1. I remember something about how orbitals in the same subshell can be combined but I can't find it in my notes and I'm not sure if this is what I'm looking for.

Anyways, even if I just choose one randomly, finding ∫Ψ*L^2Ψdτ is a huge task.

Am I just going about this all wrong?

Thanks,
Ashley
 
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What is a 3px state ? What quantum numbers does it have ?
 
dextercioby said:
What is a 3px state ? What quantum numbers does it have ?

n = 3
l = 1
m = -1, 0, +1

I'm starting to think this is more of a thinking question than a calculation question. If 3p-1 and 3p+1 give one value and 3p0 gives 0 then over 100 measurements the average value would be 0. Does this sound logical?

Ashley
 
As far as i know, the p_x orbital has a definite value of "m_l". So your last answer is wrong.
 
It wouldn't matter if the eigenvalues of L^2 don't depend on m. So do they?

Doing the integral looks like a fun exercise, but it's not necessary. What is L^2Ψ? (Hint: H and L^2 commute for the H-atom).
 

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