What is meant by first momentum of energy spectrum (ES)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of moments in the context of energy spectra, specifically the first, second, and third moments. Participants explore their definitions, significance, and applications within statistical functions and probability distributions related to energy spectra.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definitions and significance of the first, second, and third moments of energy spectra.
  • One participant provides the mathematical formula for calculating the n-th moment of a function.
  • Another participant clarifies that "moment" refers to a statistical function, while "momentum" is a distinct physical quantity.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the moments, with the first moment representing the mean energy and the second moment related to energy variance.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the significance of the third moment in relation to energy distributions.
  • One participant mentions specific applications of the second and third moments in nuclear inelastic scattering, linking them to physical properties of the Mössbauer nucleus.
  • There are questions about the physical significance of the first and second moments, with references to conserved quantities and relationships to time.
  • Some participants engage in a meta-discussion about the nature of asking for "general details" versus "detailed generalities."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between moments and momentum, but there remains uncertainty and differing views regarding the specific significance of the third moment and its relevance to energy spectra. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the broader implications of these moments.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the energy spectrum should be normalized for the moments to have specific interpretations, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the significance of the moments.

Rajini
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Hello all,

I wanted to know
what is meant by first momentum of energy spectrum (ES),
second momentum of ES, and also third momentum of ES.
It will be nice with some references, books, etc.

thanks
 
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For any function of single variable, f(x), you can find an n-th moment μn using this formula.

[tex]\mu_n = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^n f(x) dx[/tex]
 


K^2 said:
For any function of single variable, f(x), you can find an n-th moment μn

Never seen that before.
What's the significance of it in relation to a spectrum?
 


It's called moment, not momentum. Momentum is a different physical quantity and moment is a statistical function. The energy spectrum is treated like some probability distribution function.
 


Hi force and k2,
i got some idea from you reply.
Yes it should be moment and not momentum.
 


AJ Bentley said:
What's the significance of it in relation to a spectrum?
Provided that spectrum is normalized, that is μ0=1, μ1=<E>, μ2=<E²>, and consequently, ΔE=sqrt(μ21²). I have no idea what the significance of the 3rd moment is.
 


Yes, I'm aware of the name of the 3rd moment. I'm not sure what relevance it has specifically to the energy distribution spectrum. <E> and ΔE have very specific physical consequences. I'm not sure if the same can be said about <E³>.
 


So, what is the physical significance of the first and the second moment?
 
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Hi force,
from nis (nuclear inelastic scattering), from 2nd moment of the spectrum you get the mean force constant of the Mössbauer nucleus and from 3rd you get mean square vibrational displacement of the Mössbauer nucleus.
my intention is to ask you all about the general details of these moment formula...
may be some of you for sure know about Lipkin'S sum rule.
tha nks
 
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Dickfore said:
So, what is the physical significance of the first and the second moment?
Really?

For starters, <E> is a conserved quantity. ΔE is related to Δt. If this is an energy spectrum of a particle, for example, you just got its mass and half-life.
 
  • #12


Rajini said:
general details
Isn't this an oxymoron :confused:
 
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It's a taxonomy. General details are more specific than detailed generalities, but less specific than plain details.
 

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