What is Stoll's definition of the natural logarithm function?

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The discussion revolves around Manfred Stoll's definition of the natural logarithm function as presented in his book "Introduction to Real Analysis." Participants are examining the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC) in the context of Stoll's definition, particularly regarding the interpretation of variables and limits in integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses confusion about Stoll's application of the FTC, questioning the interpretation of the variable limits in the integral when using the Chain Rule.
  • One participant suggests that the variables in the FTC and the expression $ax$ should be viewed as distinct, clarifying that $ax$ can be interpreted as belonging to the interval $(0,\infty)$.
  • Another participant critiques the complexity of Stoll's definition, proposing that defining the natural logarithm as the inverse of the natural exponential function is more straightforward.
  • A different viewpoint presents an alternative proof involving the integral of $\frac{1}{t}$, suggesting that Stoll's approach could be simplified.
  • One participant raises concerns about the definition of the natural logarithm when extended to complex numbers, illustrating the ambiguity that arises when calculating $\ln(-1)$ along different paths in the complex plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the clarity and effectiveness of Stoll's definition of the natural logarithm. There is no consensus on the best approach or interpretation of the FTC in this context, and multiple competing views remain regarding the definition and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential confusion arising from the use of the same variable for both the upper limit of the integral and in the expression $ax$. Additionally, the discussion touches on the limitations of Stoll's definition when applied to complex numbers, highlighting the need for careful consideration of paths in the complex plane.

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I am reading Manfred Stoll's book: Introduction to Real Analysis.

I need help with Stoll's definition of the natural logarithm function (page 234 -235)

The relevant section of Stoll reads as follows:

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In this section we read:

" ... ... To prove (a), consider the function $$L(ax), x \gt 0$$. By the Chain Rule (Theorem 5.1.6)

$$\frac{d}{dx} L(ax) = \frac{1}{ax} a = \frac{1}{x} = L'(x) $$

... ... "I am somewhat puzzled by the above text ... I hope someone can clarify it for me ...

I will try to make my problem clear ... as follows ... ...

In the above text that I have quoted, the Chain Rule and the Fundamental Theorem of the Calculus (FTC) are used ...

... BUT ... the FTC asserts that if:

$$F(x) = \int_a^x f$$(t) dt

then

$$F'(c) = f(c)$$ where $$c$$ belongs to an interval $$[a,b] $$... BUT ... in the text on the natural logarithm function, Stoll seems (confusingly in my opinion!) that

$$F'(ax) = f(ax)$$ ... ... !?

... BUT ... $$x$$ is the upper limit of the integral ...

How then are we to interpret this use of FTC? ... ... indeed, if $$a \gt 1$$, then $$ax \gt x$$ where $$x$$ is the upper limit of the integral $$\int_a^x f(t) dt$$ ... ...

I thus find the above puzzling and confusing ...

Can someone please clarify the above issue for me ... ...

Peter***EDIT***

Since my post above refers to Stoll's statement of the Fundamental Theorem of the Calculus, I am providing Stoll's statement of the relevant version of the Fundamental Theorem of the Calculus as follows:View attachment 3976
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Hi Peter,

If I am understanding your question correctly, you are confused as to why we are able to apply FTC when $ax$ is not in the interval $(a,x)$ in $\displaystyle \int_1^x f(t) \,dt$? You can view the $x$ in the FTC and the $x$ in $ax$ are different $x$'s. In the case of the $ax$, we are to interpret that $ax\in(0,\infty)$. I think, more clearly, we can say $L(s)=\int_{1}^{s} f(t) \,dt$, and so let $s=ax \in(0,\infty)$, then $L'(ax)=\frac{1}{x}$.

So indeed, it follows from the definition where $c=ax$ and $c$ belongs in the interval $[a,b]$. Again, this $a$ is different from the above $a$.
 
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While entirely correct, this definition of the natural logarithm seems extremely convoluted. It is much more concise to define the natural exponential function $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \mathrm{e}^x \end{align*}$ as being the exponential function which is equal to its own derivative. Since this function is one-to-one, its inverse is a function, which is defined as the natural logarithm.
 
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While entirely correct, this definition of the natural logarithm seems extremely convoluted. It is much more concise to define the natural exponential function $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \mathrm{e}^x \end{align*}$ as being the exponential function which is equal to its own derivative. Since this function is one-to-one, its inverse is a function, which is defined as the natural logarithm.
It's the book (what analysis text uses x as both bound and free variable? I mean, really?).

The definition he gave is actually nice. This is the proof he should have presented:

Consider $ \displaystyle \int_1^{ab}\frac{1}{t}\;{dt} = \int_1^a\frac{1}{t}\;{dt}+\int_a^{ab}\frac{1}{t}\;{dt}. $ Let $t = au$ for the last integral

We have $ \displaystyle \int_a^{ab}\frac{1}{t}\;{dt} = \int_1^{b} \frac{1}{u}\;{du}$, therefore $\displaystyle \int_1^{ab}\frac{1}{t}\;{dt}=\int_1^a\frac{1}{t}\;{dt}+\int_1^b\frac{1}{t}\;{dt}.$
 
The definition of 'natural logarithm' through a definite integral has, in my opinion, criticalities when the variable is a complex number ...

$\displaystyle \ln z = \int_{1}^{z} \frac{d s}{s}\ (1)$
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Let suppose we want to calculate $\displaystyle \ln z$ with z=-1 using (1)... referring to the figure we see that starting from z = 1 we arrive at z = -1 along two different paths, the top or bottom half circle ... in the first case we have...

$\displaystyle \ln -1 = i\ \int_{0}^{\pi} e^{- i\ \theta}\ e^{i\ \theta}\ d \theta = i\ \int_{0}^{\pi} d \theta = \pi\ i\ (2)$

... and in the second case we have...

$\displaystyle \ln -1 = i\ \int_{0}^{- \pi} e^{- i\ \theta}\ e^{i\ \theta}\ d \theta = i\ \int_{0}^{- \pi} d \theta = - \pi\ i\ (3)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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