What Is the Angle Between Velocity Vector and Radius-Vector of Part A at 4RE?

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The problem involves a body in circular motion around the Earth, which detaches into two parts. The focus is on determining the angle between the velocity vector and the radius-vector of one part after it has moved to a distance of 4RE from the center of the Earth. The context is rooted in concepts of angular momentum and gravitational forces.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply angular momentum conservation to analyze the motion of part A after detachment. Questions arise regarding the justification of angular momentum conservation in the presence of gravitational forces and torque. Some participants question whether part A can still be considered to be "orbiting" after detachment and seek clarification on the conditions for angular momentum conservation.

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Participants have provided insights regarding the conservation of angular momentum and the nature of gravitational forces acting on orbiting bodies. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these concepts on the motion of part A, with references to relevant sources for further understanding. Multiple interpretations regarding the motion and status of part A are being discussed.

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There is a mention of the mass of the Earth being significantly greater than that of part A, which may influence the dynamics of the situation. Additionally, the velocity of part A relative to escape velocity is noted as a point of consideration for its motion.

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A body moves in circular motion around the Earth with orbit radius of 3RE
At a certain time the body detaches to 2 identical parts, each one with a mass of m: A and B. A moves in an angle of 34 deg and B moves straight to the center of the earth.

What is the angle between the velocity vector and the radius-vector of part A when it gets to a distance of 4RE from the center of the earth?

I think I'm suppose to use angular momentum conservation with respect to the center of the Earth for part A and calculate it's angular momentum just after the detachment and when it's at 4RE. The problem is that I don't really know how can I justify angular momentum conservation... I think that gravity produces torque and so this is a problem...
 

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Gravity produced by a point source will not produce a torque on an orbiting point mass. Assuming that the Earth is taken to be a spherically symmetric distribution of mass, it will produce the same field as a point mass located at its center. Angular momentum is always conserved.
 
gneill said:
Gravity produced by a point source will not produce a torque on an orbiting point mass. Assuming that the Earth is taken to be a spherically symmetric distribution of mass, it will produce the same field as a point mass located at its center. Angular momentum is always conserved.

I'm sorry I got confused for a second... r and the gravity force lay on the same line for every moment so of course gravity doesn't produce torque... thanks
 
assaftolko said:
1. After the detachment - can you still say A is "orbiting" something?
2. Can you reffer me to a source that shows why this is true for the angular momentum?

1. Assuming that the mass of the Earth is much greater than that of A, then Earth's field will dominate the motion of A with respect to the Earth. Whether or not the orbit is closed is another matter (check the velocity of A versus escape velocity at R = 3Re).

2. Angular momentum is ALWAYS conserved. For orbiting objects its a constant of the motion. For a proof, any text on astrodynamics should have a derivation of the equation of motion for the two-body system. One of my favorites is "Fundamentals of Astrodynamics" by Bate, Mueller, and White (very inexpensive yet amazingly good).
 

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