What Is the Angular Speed of a Falling Ruler at 30 Degrees?

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The problem involves a ruler falling under the influence of gravity after being given a small impulse. The objective is to determine the angular speed of the ruler when it is at a 30-degree angle from the vertical, considering parameters such as mass, length, and gravitational acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to approach the problem, including conservation of energy and equations of motion. Some express uncertainty about the appropriate method, while others suggest analyzing the motion of the ruler's end or center of mass.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions behind their proposed methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of equations of motion, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach.

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Participants note the absence of friction and the uniform mass distribution of the ruler as relevant constraints. There is also mention of the initial conditions, such as the small angular velocity at the start of the motion.

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Homework Statement


A ruler stands vertically against a wall. It is given a tiny impulse at θ=0∘ such that it starts falling down under the influence of gravity. You can consider that the initial angular velocity is very small so that ω(θ=0∘)=0. The ruler has mass m= 250 g and length l= 25 cm. Use g=10 m/s2 for the gravitational acceleration, and the ruler has a uniform mass distribution. Note that there is no friction whatsoever in this problem.

(a) What is the angular speed of the ruler ω when it is at an angle θ=30∘? (in radians/sec)

The angle is from the vertical.

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I'm not sure on which method to use. I was thinking either conservation of energy or using the centre of mass equations.

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Various attempts that have not yielded correct answers.
 
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Personally, I wouldn't use either "conservation of energy" or "center of mass". I would apply the equations of motion to the end of the ruler. You know that the downward acceleration is always "-g" (-9.82 m/s^2). But the rule cannot fall straight because the ruler is "rigid". So separate the vector <0, -g> into one component along the length of the ruler and one at right angles to the ruler at each angle. Only the perpendicular component acts accelerates the end of the ruler.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Personally, I wouldn't use either "conservation of energy" or "center of mass". I would apply the equations of motion to the end of the ruler. You know that the downward acceleration is always "-g" (-9.82 m/s^2). But the rule cannot fall straight because the ruler is "rigid". So separate the vector <0, -g> into one component along the length of the ruler and one at right angles to the ruler at each angle. Only the perpendicular component acts accelerates the end of the ruler.

Thanks for your suggestions. I am not sure i understand what you mean. Shall i calculate the velocity and then convert to angular velocity or is there a trick i am missing.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I would apply the equations of motion to the end of the ruler.
Isn't it better to write equation of motion for center of mass?
We need to find ω(θ) relationship. And to do this. Well, I am stuck too with this problem.
 

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