What is the approach for solving problems involving sums and limits?

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The discussion revolves around approaches for solving problems involving limits and sums, specifically focusing on the limit of a summation as \( n \) approaches infinity. The context includes mathematical reasoning and convergence criteria.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a limit involving a summation, expressing uncertainty about how to approach it.
  • Another participant inquires about the specific form of the function \( f(k,x) \).
  • A later reply clarifies that \( f(k,x) \) approaches zero as \( k \) approaches infinity, governed by \( 1/\sqrt{k} \).
  • One participant argues that knowing \( \lim_{k\to\infty} a_k = 0 \) is insufficient for concluding the convergence of the sum, citing the example of the harmonic series.
  • Another participant questions the implications of the convergence governed by \( 1/\sqrt{k} \) and suggests that the sum may diverge based on known properties of similar series.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the limit approaching zero and the convergence of the sum, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that while \( \lim_{k\to\infty} a_k = 0 \) is a necessary condition for convergence, it is not sufficient, highlighting the need for further analysis of the series involved.

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I've been trying to tackle a problem of the following form
<br /> lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{k=0}^n f(k,x)<br />

I know that the limit of each function is zero as n goes to infinity.
ie. <br /> lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} f(n,x) =0<br />

But I'm not sure how to approach the problem above. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts/suggestions.

Thanks
 
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what is f(k,x)
 
lol... I didnt want to write it, thinking it may scare people off. Its a pretty complicated formula consisting of another summation.
But f(k,x) -> 0 as k->infinity.
The convergence to zero is governed by 1/sqrt(k).
 
well wouldn't the limit of the sum of f(k,x) as n goes to infinity exclusively consist of f(k,x)
 
Basically we have the sum \sum_{k=0}^\infty a_k, where we know \lim_{k\to\infty}a_k=0. This information alone is not enough to conclude anything. For the sum to converge, it is necessary for a_k to converge to zero as k goes to infinity, but not sufficient. So if it would be the case that \lim_{k\to\infty}a_k\neq 0, then it follows that the sum does not converge. The fact that this condition is not sufficient, can be easily seen from the standard example \sum_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{k}, which diverges even though 1/k->0 if k->\infty.

You say "the convergence to zero is governed by 1/sqrt(k)". Could you be more precise?

We have \sum_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{\sqrt{k}}=\infty since \frac{1}{\sqrt{k}}&gt;\frac{1}{k} for k>1, so probably your sum also diverges.
 

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