What is the area of the region between two parametric curves?

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The discussion revolves around finding the area of the region between two parametric curves defined by the equations \( r=3\cos(\theta) \) and \( r=1+\cos(\theta) \). Participants explore the setup of the integral needed to calculate this area, addressing issues related to the correct interval and the use of symmetry in the problem.

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  • One participant proposes an initial integral setup to find the area but questions the correctness of their result.
  • Others suggest that the integral may be evaluated incorrectly and prompt a reevaluation of the interval used.
  • There is a discussion about the periodicity of the cosine function and how it affects the choice of limits for integration.
  • Some participants highlight the importance of symmetry in simplifying the integral calculation.
  • A later reply suggests a revised integral setup that combines terms rather than breaking it into two separate integrals.
  • Another participant confirms the final result of the area calculation as \( \pi \), but there is no consensus on the correctness of earlier steps.

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Participants generally agree on the need to correct the interval and utilize symmetry, but there is no consensus on the initial setup and calculations leading to the final area result.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the periodicity of trigonometric functions and the implications of symmetry, as well as unresolved steps in the integration process.

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find the area of the region that lies inside the first curve and outside the second curve. $r=3cos(\theta)$, $r=1+cos(\theta)$

$3cos(\theta)=1+cos(\theta)$
$2cos(\theta)=1$
$cos(\theta)=\frac{1}{2}$
$\theta= \frac{\pi}{3}, \frac{5 \pi}{3}$$A=\frac{1}{2} \int_{\pi/3}^{5\pi/3} \ (3cos(\theta))^2 d \theta - \frac{1}{2} \int_{\pi/3}^{5\pi/3} \ (1+cos(\theta))^2 d \theta$

i did some by hand but it's super long. i put it into my calculator and got $4 \pi - \frac{9 \sqrt{3}}{4}$ is that right?
 
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Take a look at the following plot, and see if you spot a problem with the integral you used (which incidentally, is not evaluated correctly).

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wrong interval?
 
ineedhelpnow said:
wrong interval?

Correct...what interval should you use? Also, think about using some symmetry to your advantage...:D
 
not sure. wasnt i just supposed to find the values of $\theta$?
 
You did find 2 valid values for $\theta$, but consider the periodicity of the cosine function:

$$\cos(\theta+2\pi k)=\cos(\theta)$$

You see, you were attempting to find the area outside the first curve and inside the second because of the values you chose. You were going from the first quadrant intersection to the fourth quadrant intersection, when you in fact want to go from the fourth to the first quadrant intersections.

So, how can you write the integral correctly?
 
$2 \pi /3$ to $4 \pi /3$ ?

$- \pi/3$ to $\pi/3$
 
ineedhelpnow said:
$2 \pi /3$ to $4 \pi /3$ ?

Let's use:

$$\cos(-x)=\cos(x)$$

And so we may write:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}\int_{-\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{3}}f\left(\cos(\theta)\right)\,d\theta$$

Since the cosine function is even, we may simplify this as:

$$A=\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{3}}f\left(\cos(\theta)\right)\,d\theta$$

Look at the graph, do you see that the area above $r=0$ is equal to the area below because of symmetry?
 
yeah
 
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Do you also see how:

$$-\frac{\pi}{3}\le\theta\le\frac{\pi}{3}$$

is the interval we want?
 
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yes.
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
yes.

Cool...then commence to integrating...what do you get?
 
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i will commence to integrating right after i eat something (Tongueout)
 
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$2 \pi + \frac{9 \sqrt{3}}{4}$
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
$2 \pi + \frac{9 \sqrt{3}}{4}$

No, that's incorrect...can you post your work?
 
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here's the thing though. my calculator may have told me the answer. (Speechless)

is this the correct setup:

$\frac{1}{2} \int_{- \pi/3}^{\pi/3} \ 9cos^2(\theta)d\theta + \frac{1}{2} \int_{- \pi/3}^{\pi/3} (1+cos(\theta))^2d\theta$
 
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You want to take the square of the outer curve minus the square of the inner curve...and I recommend using the symmetry I spoke of before. There is no need to break it up into two integrals, just square and combine terms...you should get (after applying a double-angle identity for cosine):

$$A=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{3}} 4\cos(2\theta)-2\cos(\theta)+3\,d\theta$$
 
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$\pi$
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
$\pi$

Yep...:D

$$A=\left[2\sin(2\theta)-2\sin(\theta)+3\theta\right]_0^{\frac{\pi}{3}}=\sqrt{3}-\sqrt{3}+\pi-0=\pi$$
 

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