What is the attractive electric force between the ions?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the attractive electric force between sodium and chloride ions in a crystal of table salt (NaCl) using Coulomb's law. Participants are examining the correct application of the formula and the values used in the calculation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to apply Coulomb's law to find the electric force, questioning the accuracy of the distance value used in the calculation. There are discussions about the correct squaring of charge values and the interpretation of the sign of the force.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and questioning assumptions about the distance and the nature of the force. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of negative signs in the context of attractive forces.

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There is some confusion regarding the correct distance between the ions, with participants debating between two different values. Additionally, there is a focus on the implications of the charge signs in the calculations.

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[SOLVED] Electric Force Question

The distance between neighboring singly charged sodium and chloride ions in crystals of table salt (NaCl) is 2.82 x 10^-10 m. What is the attractive electric force between the ions?





By coulomb’s law,
Electric force F = [1/4πεo] q1 q2/ r^2
= 9.0 x 10^9 (1.6 x 10^-19) / (2.82 x 10^-12)^2
= 2.9 x 10^9 N (force of attraction)


Correct?
 
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One is positively charged and the other is negatively charged. Is the distance 2.82x10-10m or 2.82 x10-12m?
 
Kurdt said:
One is positively charged and the other is negatively charged. Is the distance 2.82x10-10m or 2.82 x10-12m?

The distance is supposed to be 2.82 x 10^-10. So... the answer should be 1.26 x 10^10 N? Did I work this question correctly or is it all wrong?
 
Your first answer was in the right area, but I got it to be -2.9x10-9N.
 
Kurdt said:
Your first answer was in the right area, but I got it to be -2.9x10-9N.

Could you show me how you got that answer? Because I'm still coming up with the same answer.
 
I think you've just forgot to square the charge. Remember its q_1q_2=(1.6x10^{-19})^2.
 
I'm just not getting this for some reason and it seems so simple...now I'm getting 2.89 x 10^-1. Where am I making a mistake? Could you please help me work through this problem?
 
Kurdt said:
Your first answer was in the right area, but I got it to be -2.9x10-9N.

Why do you have that as a negative?
 
An attractive force is negative. One of the ions will be negatively charged and the other will be positively charged giving a negative answer.

(9x109*1.6x10-19*1.6x10-19)/(2.82x10-10)2
 
  • #10
Ok...I reworked it and got 2.9 x 10^-11 (so do I just add a negative since an attractive force is negative?) Is this right?

Edit: 2.9 x 10^-9...or -2.9 x 10^-9
 
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  • #11
Yes. That would be correct. the negative comes from the fact that one of the charges has to be negative. Rather than include it in the calculations i just remember that the answer will be negative once I've plugged all the numbers in.
 

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