What is the average coefficient of friction for a skier on a 15.2° incline?

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The problem involves a skier moving up a 15.2° incline and aims to determine the average coefficient of friction based on the skier's initial velocity and distance traveled before coming to rest.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculations related to forces acting on the skier, including gravitational and frictional forces. There are attempts to correct initial calculations and clarify the signs used in the equations.

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Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored, with participants questioning the setup and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the signs of the forces, and recalculations have been attempted based on this feedback.

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There is confusion regarding the initial velocities used in calculations and the correct application of force equations. Participants are also addressing potential mistakes in the signs of the terms in their equations.

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Homework Statement



A skier traveling 12.6 m/s reaches the foot of a steady upward 15.2° incline and glides 12.0 m up along this slope before coming to rest. What was the average coefficient of friction?

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The Attempt at a Solution



D = 12m
Velocity initial = 12.3 m/s
V final = 0 m/s
Angle = 15.2° incline

Use the equation Vf^2 = Vi^2 + 2*a*d
Find a

0 = 12.3^2 + 2*a*12
2*a*12 = -12.3^2

Divide both sides by 2*12
a = 6.30375 m/s^2


Force parallel = mass * g * sin θ
Force normal = mass*g* cos θ
Friction Force = µ * mass*g* cos θ

Going up an incline 2 forces decrease your velocity
Force parallel and Friction, so we add these 2 forces to find the total force decreasing your velocity. Since these forces decrease your velocity they are negative.
a = 6.30375 m/s^2


∑ Forces = mass * acceleration
(-mass * g * sin θ) + -(µ * mass*g* cos θ) = mass * 6.30375
Notice mass cancels


(- g * sin 15.2°) + (-µ * g* cos 15.2° ) = 6.30375
6.30375 = -2.57 + -9.457 µ
6.30375 = -12.027 µ
µ = 0.524

But the answer is incorrect. Can someone please tell me where I messed up?
 
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By how much? Your initial velocity suddenly went from 12.6 m/s to 12.3m/s.
 
I just recalculated my mistake, and I got [tex]\mu[/tex] = 0.549.

Does that seem right to you?
 
(- g * sin 15.2°) + (-µ * g* cos 15.2° ) = 6.30375
6.30375 = -2.57 + -9.457 µ
6.30375 = -12.027 µ
µ = 0.524

But the answer is incorrect. Can someone please tell me where I messed up?[/QUOTE]

In your original calculation you have put the net acceleration +ve which isn't the case as forces are along the acceleration.
 
So, I'm slightly confused. Do you mean it should be:

(- g * sin 15.2°) + (-µ * g* cos 15.2° ) = 6.615
6.615 = -2.57 + 9.457 µ
6.615 = 6.887 µ
µ = 0.961

I'm drawing a blank. =/
 
No I meant the opposite. It should be
-g*sin15.2 - µ*g*cos15.2 = -6.615.
I had only quoted you.
One more thing, why are you always adding the the terms on left when there is a unknown
µ with one of the terms. Like here(this is yours):
6.615 = -2.57 + 9.457 µ
6.615 = 6.887 µ​
[/CENTER]

I noticed it in the first post too.
 
aim1732 said:
No I meant the opposite. It should be
-g*sin15.2 - µ*g*cos15.2 = -6.615.
I had only quoted you.
One more thing, why are you always adding the the terms on left when there is a unknown
µ with one of the terms. Like here(this is yours):
6.615 = -2.57 + 9.457 µ
6.615 = 6.887 µ​
[/CENTER]

So I redid it:

-g*sin15.2 - µ*g*cos15.2 = -6.615.
-2.572 - 9.457 µ = -6.615
-9.457 µ = -4.043
µ = 0.4275

Is that correct?
 
Yes looks good to me.
 

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