What is the basis for Toyota's fluorine battery claims?

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Toyota is reportedly researching fluorine batteries that could achieve seven times the energy density of lithium-ion batteries, allowing for significantly lighter batteries or longer ranges. However, there is skepticism regarding the feasibility of these claims, especially considering that lithium has a higher reduction potential than fluorine according to standard textbooks. The discussion highlights that the stated energy density refers to the amount of stored electrical energy relative to weight, which could lead to a lighter battery design. The mechanism behind achieving such energy density is questioned, particularly since fluorine is gaseous at room temperature and the battery's operation involves shuffling fluorine between the anode and cathode rather than using it directly in redox reactions. Additionally, it is noted that energy density is influenced not only by the redox reaction but also by the mass of all components involved in the battery's operation.
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Why is Toyota researching Fluorine batteries when LiIon cell potentials are higher?
Google top result says Toyota is researching Fluorine batteries that they claim will have 7x energy density of LiIon. However my textbook table of reduction potential gives lithium as higher than fluorine. Any idea what they base their claims on?

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I got that far. My point is how do they achieve this? Simply by virtue of fluorine being gaseous at room temp?
 
Fluorine batteries don't use fluorine for redox, it is just shuffled between anode and cathode.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_battery

Besides, energy density of a battery doesn't depend just on the redox reaction involved, it also needs to take into account mass of every other substance required for a correct operation.
 
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