What is the charge density in a sphere with a given electric potential?

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The discussion revolves around determining the charge density within a sphere given an electric potential expressed in spherical coordinates as V(r) = kr^-2. Participants are exploring the relationship between electric potential, electric field, and charge density using Gauss's law and the Laplacian operator.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the charge density from the electric potential and are comparing results obtained through Gauss's law with those from integrating charge density. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the Laplacian in spherical coordinates and the implications of singularities in the integration process.

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Some participants are providing insights into the mathematical expressions involved, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the potential inside the sphere and the nature of the Laplacian. There is an ongoing exploration of the divergence of the electric field and its relation to charge density.

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Participants note that the potential may only represent the external region of the sphere and express concerns about the singular behavior of the charge density integral. There is also mention of potential issues with applying the Laplacian operator correctly in the context of spherical coordinates.

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Homework Statement

Find the electric charge centred in a sphere of radius a, centered at the origin where the electric potential is found to be (in spherical coordinates) V(r)=kr^-2 where k is some constant.

The Attempt at a Solution



We have E=-\nabla V = -2kr^{-3} \hat{r}
So applying Gauss's law to the sphere of radius a, we get
\oint_s E \cdot da = \frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}
And thus Q= \frac{-8\pi k \epsilon_0}{a}

My problem is, surely the same result should be obtained by taking the triple integral of the charge density with respect to volume, but pursuing this path...
\rho=-\epsilon_0 \nabla^2 V(r) = -\epsilon_0 2kr^{-4}
Attempting to integrate this in spherical coordinates results in,
Q= \iiint_V \rho dV = -8\pi \epsilon_0 k \int_0^a r^{-2} dr
but due to the singularity this tends to infinity. Where did I take a wrong step?
 
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Hi T-chef! :smile:
T-chef said:
We have E=-\nabla V = -2kr^{-3} \hat{r}

Nooo … ∂/∂x 1/(x2 + y2 + z2) = … ? :wink:
 
Hello Tiny Tim!
I was hoping by working in spherical coordinates I could make my life easier. My book assures me here grad is given by
\nabla t = \frac{\partial t}{\partial r}\hat{r} + \frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial t}{\partial \theta}\hat{\theta}+\frac{1}{rsin(\theta)}\frac{\partial t}{\partial\phi}\hat{\phi}
So since V is independent of the angles, their partial derivatives vanish leaving me with just the first term. Have I misinterpreted working with grad in other coordinates systems?
 
i think the potential for V is only the potential outside the sphere. inside the sphere the potential is affected by the charge distributions themselves
also the laplacian of the potential is NOT equivalent to taking the gradient twice, check the math and i think u will see something that looks like a dirac delta function
 
I used the Laplacian as expressed in spherical coordinates, which i certainly agree, is not taking grad twice :smile:
That said, I suppose I could have used:
E=-2kr^{-3} \hat{r}
so:
\nabla \cdot E = \frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0}
\rho = \epsilon_0 \nabla \cdot (-2kr^{-3} \hat{r})
Now in my (very limited!) knowledge of delta functions, don't I need to be applying divergence to a \frac{\bf{\hat{r}}}{r^2} term to introduce a delta function, rather than the -3 power I've found myself with?
 

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