What is the Charge Enclosed in a Sphere with Proportional Charge Density?

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The problem involves a solid insulating sphere of radius R with a charge density that is proportional to the distance from the center, expressed as p(r) = kr. Participants are tasked with finding the charge enclosed by a concentric spherical surface of radius r (where r ≤ R) and determining the total charge of the sphere.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the charge density to find the enclosed charge, with some suggesting the use of different volume elements in spherical coordinates. There are questions about the appropriate expressions for volume elements and the implications for the electric field calculation inside the sphere.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the integration process and the use of Gauss' Law, while others are exploring different interpretations of the variables involved. There is an ongoing examination of the relationships between the charge density, electric field, and the geometry of the problem.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of the charge density function and the limits of integration, as well as clarifying the definitions of the variables R and r in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



A solid insulating sphere of radius R is charged so that the charge density is proportional to the distance to the center, p(r)=kr, where k is a constant.

Find Q(r), the charge enclosed by a concentric spherical surface of radius r<= R. What is the total charge of the sphere?

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The Attempt at a Solution



I thought that Q=[Int from 0 to r] kr dV, and in spherical coordinates for radius, dV = r^2 dr.

So I have Q=[int from 0 to r] kr^3 dr = k [int, 0, r] r^3 dr = kr^4 / 4
 
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warfreak131 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought that Q=[Int from 0 to r] kr dV, and in spherical coordinates for radius, dV = r^2 dr.

So I have Q=[int from 0 to r] kr^3 dr = k [int, 0, r] r^3 dr = kr^4 / 4

The volume element is a shell of radius r and thickness dr, which volume is dV=4pi r2dr

ehild
 
ehild said:
The volume element is a shell of radius r and thickness dr, which volume is dV=4pi r2dr

ehild

then when do I use r^2 sin(theta) dr d(theta) d(phi)?
 
warfreak131 said:
then when do I use r^2 sin(theta) dr d(theta) d(phi)?

You are right now, the volume element is dV=r^2sin(theta)dr d(theta) d(phi) in spherical coordinates, but not r^2dr as you wrote in your first post. Integrate the charge density for the sphere of radius r.

ehild
 
So let's say a question gives you the charge density p=kr where k is a constant, and it wants you to find the electric field inside a solid sphere of radius R.

Id say that [int] E ds = q/e0

and i can pull out E, -> E [int] ds = q/e0

and using what you said, E [int] ds = [int] kr r^2sin(theta)dr d(theta) d(phi) / e0

I would be left with 4piR^2 E = (4piR^3)/3e0 -> E=R / 3e0 ?
 
warfreak131 said:
So let's say a question gives you the charge density p=kr where k is a constant, and it wants you to find the electric field inside a solid sphere of radius R.

Id say that [int] E ds = q/e0

and i can pull out E, -> E [int] ds = q/e0

and using what you said, E [int] ds = [int] kr r^2sin(theta)dr d(theta) d(phi) / e0

I would be left with 4piR^2 E = (4piR^3)/3e0 -> E=R / 3e0 ?

You have to integrate kr^3 with respect to r.

ehild
 
So would the total enclosed charge be [int 0,R] kr * 4pi r^2 dr = k pi R^4 ?

and then I would get (k pi R^4) / (4 pi R^2 e0) = E = kR/4e0
 
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warfreak131 said:
So would the total enclosed charge be [int 0,R] kr * 4pi r^2 dr = k pi R^4 ?

Yes.

ehild
 
ehild said:
Yes.

ehild

So if i use [int] E ds = k pi R^4 / e0, would I get E = kR^4 / 4r^2 e0 ?
 
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warfreak131 said:
So if i use [int] E ds = k pi R^4 / e0, would I get E = kR^4 / 4r^2 e0 ?

It depends what you mean on R and r and [int] E ds.

ehild
 
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R is the radius of the sphere, r is your variable radius

it'd be the surface integral of E ds = k pi R^4 / e0

and the surface would be 4 pi r^2, divide on both sides leaves you with E = kR^4 / 4r^2 e0
 
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Gauss' Law states that the surface integral of the electric field is equal to the enclosed charge divided by ε0. If you want to find the electric field at distance r from the centre of the charged sphere of radius R, you calculate the surface integral of E for a sphere of radius r. If r>R it encloses the whole charge, and your formula is rigth. If r≤R the enclosed charge is the charge inside the sphere of radius r. In this case, E=kr^4/(4r^2 ε0)=kr^2(4 ε0).

ehild
 

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