Solve C2H2 Mol Fraction Problem: STP & Ideal Gas Eq.

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the reaction of acetylene (C₂H₂) to form benzene (C₆H₆) and the calculation of the mol fraction of C₂H₂ that has reacted. Participants explore the application of stoichiometry, the ideal gas law, and Avogadro's hypothesis in the context of gas pressures and moles, while considering the conditions of standard temperature and pressure (STP).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the ideal gas equation to find the number of moles of C₆H₆ and subsequently the moles of C₂H₂ that reacted, but encounters a negative result.
  • Another participant suggests that the ideal gas equation may not be necessary and introduces a relationship between the total number of moles before and after the reaction.
  • There is a discussion on the importance of the stoichiometric relationship of the reaction (3C₂H₂ → C₆H₆) and its implications for pressure changes, referencing Avogadro's hypothesis.
  • Further calculations are presented, where one participant attempts to express the change in moles in terms of pressure and seeks to find the mol fraction based on these relationships.
  • One participant proposes assuming a volume to simplify calculations, suggesting that the constant can be eliminated in the end.
  • Another participant calculates a ratio of initial to final moles based on pressure and attempts to derive the mol fraction from their results, but receives feedback indicating an incorrect answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the ideal gas law for solving the problem, with some advocating for its use while others suggest alternative approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to calculate the mol fraction of C₂H₂ that has reacted.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and there are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the reaction and gas behavior.

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So I've been thinking about this problem for quite some time now any help will be appreciated.

A sample of C_{2}H_{2}(g) has a pressure of 7.4 kPa. After some time a portion of it reacts to form {C}_6{H}_6 (g). The total pressure of the mixture of gases is then 3.6 kPa. Assume the volume and the temperature do not change. Find the mol fraction of C_{2}H_{2}(g) that has undergone reaction.

The mol fraction, X, is given by

X = P_{1}/P_{total} = n_{1}/n_{total}

where P= pressure and n= number of moles

I think that 3C_{2}H_{2}(g)->{C}_6{H}_6 (g). So I assumed STP and thought that if i can find the number of moles of {C}_6{H}_6 (g) then I can use stoichiometry to find the moles of C_{2}H_{2}(g) and subtract that from the number of moles found by using the ideal gas equation and then use the mol fraction formula to find it. However, this results in a negative number (3.25858*10-3-4.754*10-3) and I can't seem to figure out what I did wrong. Like I said, any help would be appreciated.
 
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You shouldn't need to use the ideal gas equation.

Consider that Ntotal = N1 + N2
where N1 = C2H2 and N2 = C6H6

Initially N2 = 0 and later N2 = N1 - Ntotal.

Now we can express N2 in terms of pressure and N1... right?

There are other things to work out but this understanding is critical to solving the problem.
 
ok, thanks i'll try to work it out from there,
also, am i on the right track with 3C2H2-->C6H6 or is this chemical equation irrelevant to solving the problem?
 
It is very important - combined with Avogadro's hypothesis it explains why pressure went down. Think about stochiometry of the process.

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ok, so so far i have
3C2H2-->C6H6
ntotal=nC2H2 final + nC6H6
\frac{P_{C_{2}H_{2 initial}}}{n_{C_{2}H_{2 initial}}}=\frac{P_{C_{2}H_{2 final}}}{n_{C_{2}H_{2 final}}} from avogadro's law
PC2H2 final=Ptotal-PC6H6
nC6H6=nC2H2 final-ntotal=nC2H2 final-(PtotalnC2H2 final)/PC2H2 final
nC2H2 initial - x moles of C2H2 = nC2H2 final
x moles of C2H2/3 = nC6H6 final
nC2H2 initial-3*nC6H6=nC2H2 final

i'm not sure how to proceed from here, is there a way to find the change in moles based on the change of pressure and use that to find the mol fraction?
 
AsuraSky said:
is there a way to find the change in moles based on the change of pressure and use that to find the mol fraction?

If you have no other ideas, assume some volume - say 1L - and do caculations on real numbers. Or assume volume V and do calculations on symbols - in the end V will cancel out. The simplest approach is to use pV=nRT and realize it can be written as n=kp, where k is some constant - that in the end will cancel out as well.

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Ok, so I used your way and did P=nk which means that P/n = k, so P1/n1=P2/n2=k. After substitution that gives me 7.4/n1=3.6/n2. I then found the ratio of n1 to n2 to be n1/n2= 7.4/3.6 = 37/18 so I interpreted that to mean that we started out with 37 mols of C2H2 initially and ended up with a mixture of C2H2 and C6H6 that totaled in 18 mols.

so Let w = mols of C2H2
y = mols of C6H6

37 - x mols = w
x mols/3 = y from the stoichiometric ratio
w+y = 18
so that means that
37-3y = w
37-3(18-w) = w
w = mols of C2H2 = 17/2
since the total amount of C2H2 and C6H6 is 18 the mol fraction should be (17/2)/18 = .47222...since this is online homework, I get instant feedback which resulted in a wrong answer. Where did I go wrong?
 

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