What is the concept of per second per second? Like acceleration?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "per second per second," particularly in the context of acceleration. Participants explore the meaning of acceleration expressed as meters per second squared and seek clarification through examples and analogies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarity on the concept of "per second squared," comparing it to "meters per second" and expressing confusion about its implications.
  • Another participant explains that "meter per second per second" can be understood as "(meter per second) per second," relating it to changes in velocity over time.
  • A participant shares a personal anecdote about misunderstanding the phrase "10 meters per second per second" and offers alternative phrasing to aid comprehension.
  • One participant presents two cases of driving to illustrate constant speed versus acceleration, questioning the distance covered under each scenario.
  • A later reply challenges the calculation of distance based on acceleration, clarifying that the result represents speed after a time interval rather than distance traveled.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for real-life examples to understand mathematical concepts, indicating a preference for intuitive explanations.
  • A participant uses a car salesman analogy to describe acceleration in terms of speed increase over time, reinforcing the concept of measuring acceleration in meters per second squared.
  • A separate, unrelated inquiry about a mathematical function is introduced, diverging from the main topic of acceleration.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concept of acceleration and its representation. While some explanations resonate with others, no consensus is reached on a singular interpretation, and confusion persists among participants.

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Some participants rely on personal interpretations and analogies, which may not fully align with formal definitions. The discussion includes assumptions about prior knowledge and understanding of mathematical principles, which may affect clarity.

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Students in physics or mathematics, educators seeking to clarify concepts of acceleration, and individuals interested in understanding the nuances of motion and speed measurements.

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What is the concept of per second per second?? Like acceleration??

I'm in my final year of college and I'm struggling to get a clear idea on the concept of per second squared. I mean a meter per second yeah that's understandable, it's just mean your moving a meter per second, so 5 seconds later, you'll be 5 meters away from your starting point, but a meter per second per second? Can someone give me some examples please?? Thanks as usual :smile:
 
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Think of "meter per second per second" as "(meter per second) per second", not as "meter per (second per second)".

Acceleration is change in velocity (meters per second) in some amount of time (seconds). If at some point in time you're moving at 5 m/s, and then ten seconds later you're moving 25 m/s, then you've changed your velocity by 20 m/s in 10 s which gives an acceleration of 2 m/s per s, which we customarily write as 2 m/s2.
 


My brother tells a funny story about how when he first saw the phrase 10 meters per second per second he thought it was a typo.

I've found it helps some people to understand if you use different words. So an acceleration of 10 meters per second^2 means you velocity changes by 10 meters per second each second. Or think of an acceleration of (5 miles per hour) per second. This means you start motionless and 1 second later you are going at 5 miles per hour. Do these examples help?
 


So let's say I start driving and when i reach point a, my speed is 50 m/s and it stays constant.

Case 1: 10 seconds later, I'm 500 meters away from point a, acceleration = 0.

Case 2: I accelerate by 70 m/s per second, 10 seconds later, I would've been 700 meters away from point a?
 


That's great explanation phyzguy, I've find all these mathematic concepts always much easier to learn by real life examples! I really like the idea of using each second as opposed to per second per second, my head just can't seem to cope with this type of sorcery! I'll just go with per second each second from now on, you helped a great deal and I thank you again good sir!
 


jinkazama99 said:
So let's say I start driving and when i reach point a, my speed is 50 m/s and it stays constant.

Case 1: 10 seconds later, I'm 500 meters away from point a, acceleration = 0.
Good
Case 2: I accelerate by 70 m/s per second, 10 seconds later, I would've been 700 meters away from point a?

Not so good.

here is what you did 70 \frac m {s^2} X 10s = 700\frac m s

note that since I multiplied by seconds I was able to cancel only 1 second from the denominator. What you have is your speed after 10s not the distance traveled.

Distance is given by: \frac 1 2 a t2
 


Integral said:
Good


Not so good.

here is what you did 70 \frac m {s^2} X 10s = 700\frac m s

note that since I multiplied by seconds I was able to cancel only 1 second from the denominator. What you have is your speed after 10s not the distance traveled.

Distance is given by: \frac 1 2 a t2

Ah I see now, I've just assumed since I'm increasing my speed by 70m per sec, 10 seconds later i would have to simply multiplty the 10 by 70 to get the distance, so stupid...:redface:

Thank you mentor, I'm quite clear on the acceleration and the meter squared concept now:biggrin:
 


A good way to look at this is from a car salesmans perspective.
He will give the performance of a car perhaps as 'from 0 to 60 in 6 secs'
This means the car can accelerate from 0 to 60mph in 6 seconds.
In physics we might prefer to see this as 10mph per second
In fact we prefer to measure speeds in m/s so for us acceleration becomes metres/sec per sec...m/s/s m/s^2
 


can someone help me to find an function Y of which Y'(0)=1/2, Y''(0)=1=2/2..
the nth derivative verifies Y''''''''(0)=n/2
thanks for your help
 

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