What is the connection between complex numbers and vectors in R2?

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The discussion explores the relationship between complex numbers and vectors in the two-dimensional real space (R²). Participants examine the mathematical structures of both entities, particularly focusing on their additive and multiplicative properties, and whether they can be considered equivalent in some sense.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that complex numbers and R² are in bijection and share the same additive structure, but complex numbers possess additional multiplicative properties that vectors in R² do not have.
  • Others argue that while addition and scalar multiplication are isomorphic between complex numbers and vectors, the unique multiplication of complex numbers distinguishes them from vectors in R².
  • A participant questions whether multiplication is the only distinguishing feature between complex numbers and vectors in R².
  • Another participant emphasizes that the isomorphism exists only for addition and scalar multiplication, not for multiplication by complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the extent to which complex numbers and vectors in R² can be considered equivalent. While some participants agree on the isomorphic nature of addition and scalar multiplication, they diverge on the implications of multiplication and its significance in defining the structures.

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The discussion highlights the nuances in defining R² and C, suggesting that the interpretation of these spaces may affect the conclusions drawn about their relationship.

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What is the relationship between complex numbers and vectors in a plane?

I read they have the same mathematical structure. What does that mean and how far does that sameness go?

If the complex numbers are all ordered pair that obey (a,b)+(c,d)=(a+c,b+d) and (a,b)(c,d)=(ac-bd,ad-bc), can we then equate these ordered pairs with 2-dim vectors? I believe not. What does then (a,b)(c,d)=(ac-bd,ad-bc) mean?

Could someone help?

thanks
 
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As a set, the complex numbers are in bijection with R^2. They also carry the same additive structure as R^2, and they behave properly with respect to multiplication by elements of R, so the complex numbers are a 2 dimensional real vector space. They also carry an extra structure, multiplication of complex numbers, that the plane does not naturally carry. What this means is that the complex numbers are an algebra over the reals, 2-dimensional. More than that they are a division algebra, meaning that you can divide elements, ie form inverses under multiplication, and even more than that they are a commutative division algebra, i.e. a field too.

So, think of the complex numbers as a real vector space with extra structure, that of an algebra.

Really, this is the best way to think about complex numbers, if you ask me. No one can deny they exist...
 
No, they don't have the same "mathematical structure". If we associate the vector [itex]x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}[/itex] with the complex number x+ iy, then addition and scalar multiplication are the same (so they are "isomorphic" as vector spaces) but the complex numbers have a multiplication that is not defined for vectors in R2.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, they don't have the same "mathematical structure". If we associate the vector [itex]x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}[/itex] with the complex number x+ iy, then addition and scalar multiplication are the same (so they are "isomorphic" as vector spaces) but the complex numbers have a multiplication that is not defined for vectors in R2.
So is the property of multiplication the *only* thing that separates complex numbers from vectors in R^2?
 
Swapnil said:
So is the property of multiplication the *only* thing that separates complex numbers from vectors in R^2?
Anyone...?
 
Swapnil said:
So is the property of multiplication the *only* thing that separates complex numbers from vectors in R^2?
Essentially. (The exact answer depends on the fine print of what you mean by R² and C)
 
In technical terms, there is an "isomorphism" between the vector space, R2, and the set of complex numbers with the operations of addition and multiplication by a real number (NOT multiplication by a complex number).
 

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