What is the connection between differentiation and integration?

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The discussion revolves around the connection between differentiation and integration, specifically focusing on the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. Participants explore the historical context of how Leibniz and Newton established this relationship, examining methods for calculating the area under a curve and the implications of these methods.

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  • One participant describes two methods for finding the area under a curve: summing infinitesimal rectangles and differentiation, questioning how Leibniz and Newton proved these methods yield the same result.
  • Another participant outlines a proof of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, mentioning the Riemann sum method and its relationship to the area under the curve, but does not provide historical details on Leibniz or Newton's approaches.
  • A participant points out a potential error regarding the terminology used, suggesting that "differentiable" was incorrectly referenced instead of "Riemann-integrable." This prompts a clarification and acknowledgment of the mistake.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the historical methods used by Leibniz and Newton, and there is some uncertainty regarding the terminology related to integrability and differentiability.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of integrability and differentiability, and the proof steps mentioned may depend on specific mathematical definitions that are not fully elaborated in the conversation.

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To find the area under a curve within some range we can either add up infinite infinitesimal tiny rectangles (using limits) (method 1) or do the opposite process of differentiation (method 2).

How did Leibniz/Newton figure out/prove that the opposite process of differentiation (method 2) would give the same answer as adding up rectangles (method 1)?
 
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I honestly can't say precisely how Leibniz or Newton did that, but the proof of the "Fundamental Theorem of Calculus" is given in any calculus book.

Roughly speaking:
First, you show that the "Riemann sum method" (which was developed long after Newton or Leibniz) does in fact give the "area under the curve". You can do that by choosing the height of the rectangles over any interval to be the largest value of the function on that interval so that the sum of the areas of the rectangles, Inn is clearly greater than the area under the curve. Then you turn around and choose the height of the rectangles to be the smallest value of the function on that interval so that the sum of the areas of the rectangles, In, is clearly less than the area under the curve. A function is said to be "Riemann Integrable" if, in the limit as the number of intervals goes to 0, In and In both have the same limit. Since one is always larger than the area and the other is always lower, the common limit must be the area.

Now, given a value x0, consider the area under the curve, between x0 and x0+ h. you can show that area is the difference between the integrals, I(x]sub]0[/sub] and I(x0+h). Further, using the mean value theorem, you can show that is the area of a rectangle of of base h and height f(x*) where x* is some (unknown) value between x0 and x0+ h. That is, I(x0+ h)- I(x0)= hf(x*) so (I(x0+h)- I(x0))/h= f(x*). Finally, take the limit on both sides as h goes to 0. On the left we get I'(x) and on the right, since x* is always between x0 and x0+ h, and h is going to 0, we have f(x). That is I'(x)= f(x)- the derivative of the integral is the original function.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
I... A function is said to be "differentiable" if, in the limit as the number of intervals goes to 0, In and In both have the same limit...

I assume you meant to write Riemann-integrable..?
 
Pere Callahan said:
I assume you meant to write Riemann-integrable..?

Yes, thanks. I will edit my previous response.
 

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