What Is the Correct Approach to Evaluate Limits at Infinity with Square Roots?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating limits at infinity involving square roots, specifically the limits of the expression sqrt(x^2 - 3x + 1) - x as x approaches both positive and negative infinity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss factoring out x^2 from the square root and using power series expansion. There is also mention of applying L'Hôpital's rule and dividing terms to simplify the limit expressions. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain limit evaluations and assumptions about continuity and behavior near infinity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on manipulating the limit expressions, while others express uncertainty about specific steps and the implications of their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods and interpretations without a clear consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints related to homework rules, including the requirement to enter answers into an online program that assesses correctness. There is also mention of a lack of familiarity with L'Hôpital's rule, which may affect the approaches taken.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the following limits:

lim sqrt(x^2-3x+1)-x
x->\infty


lim sqrt(x^2-3x+1)-x
x->-\infty

2. The attempt at a solution

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We have to enter in the answers online into a program that tells us if we're right or wrong. I got the limit going to positive infinity correct, but I don't know what I am doing wrong going to negative infinity.
 
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Take out a factor of x^2 from the square root and expand \sqrt{1+X} as a power series and that should solve the problem for you.
 
credico said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the following limits:

limx→-∞ sqrt(x^2-3x+1)-x


2. The attempt at a solution

We have to enter in the answers online into a program that tells us if we're right or wrong. I got the limit going to positive infinity correct, but I don't know what I am doing wrong going to negative infinity.


You did a fine job recognizing that \frac{1}{x}=-\,\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2}} for x < 0.

Once you get to \lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}-x\right)=\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\frac{-3x+1}{x+\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}}\right)\,, try using L'Hôpital's rule.

Added during Edit:

Wait! Look at the original! \lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}-x\right).

\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}\right)=+\infty

and

\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(-x\right)=+\infty
 
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SammyS said:
You did a fine job recognizing that \frac{1}{x}=-\,\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2}} for x < 0.

Once you get to \lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}-x\right)=\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\frac{-3x+1}{x+\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}}\right)\,, try using L'Hôpital's rule.

Added during Edit:

Wait! Look at the original! \lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}-x\right).

\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}\right)=+\infty

and

\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(-x\right)=+\infty

Haven't learned L'Hopital's rule yet (I know what it is but at this point I think they want us to do it a certain way first).

In regards to what you posted in your edit: You used the Limit Laws to separate the two, but how did you calculate the radical limit? Just by plugging in infinity (or looking at what it does near infinity?) Is that allowed? Are you certain there isn't something that can mislead me by doing this, at least in this case?

Thanks.

Your answer was right by the way. I guess if it's continuous, by definition: lim f(x) as x ->a = lim f(a). It just seems a bit odd since there's that radical floating over top.
 
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SammyS said:
You did a fine job recognizing that \frac{1}{x}=-\,\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2}} for x < 0.

Once you get to \lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}-x\right)=\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\frac{-3x+1}{x+\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}}\right)\,, try using L'Hôpital's rule.
Better: Divide both numerator and denominator by x to get
\frac{-3+ \frac{1}{x}}{\sqrt{1- \frac{3}{x}+ \frac{1}{x^2}}}
Of course, as x goes to infinity, 1/x or 1/x^2 goes to 0. For the case were x is going to negative infinity, divide by -x (which will be positive) so that you have no problem with it inside the square root.

Added during Edit:

Wait! Look at the original! \lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}-x\right).

\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(\sqrt{x^2-3x+1}\right)=+\infty

and

\lim_{x\to -\infty}\left(-x\right)=+\infty
 

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