What Is the Correct Substitution for This Integral?

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The discussion revolves around finding the correct substitution for a specific integral involving square roots and rational functions. Participants explore various substitution methods and transformations to simplify the integral, which includes both algebraic manipulation and trigonometric substitutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially presents the integral \(\int \sqrt{\frac{x-1}{x(x+1)}} dx\) and seeks help with substitution.
  • Another participant mentions that Wolfram suggests the integral relates to elliptic integrals involving complex numbers.
  • A correction is made regarding the integral, with a new form proposed: \(\int \frac{\sqrt{\frac{x-1}{x+1}}}{x^2} dx\), which is described as leading to an arctangent function.
  • A substitution \(x = \sin^2h(t)\) is proposed, simplifying the integral to \(2\int \sqrt{\sin^2h(t) - 1}\ dt\).
  • Participants discuss the complexity of directly inputting certain substitutions into Wolfram's Integrator, with one suggesting a simplification that leads to a more manageable form involving \(\int\frac{\sqrt{x^2-1}}{x^2(x+1)}dx\).
  • Another participant proposes the substitution \(u^2 = \frac{x-1}{x+1}\), leading to a new integral form and suggesting further substitutions or partial fractions for simplification.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in manipulating the algebra to achieve a specific integral form, requesting clarification on the steps taken.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the algebraic transformations involved in the substitution process, with detailed expressions shared.
  • Another participant mentions using the substitution \(x = \tan^2(t)\) as a method that simplifies the integral effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing substitution methods and approaches, with no consensus on a single correct substitution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to simplify the integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty in their algebraic manipulations and substitutions, indicating potential limitations in their approaches. The discussion includes various forms of the integral that may depend on specific assumptions or definitions.

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I've been trying to figure this out for a while, but I can't find the right substitution:

[tex]\int \sqrt{\frac{x-1}{x(x+1)}} dx[/tex]

Anyone able to help me out? It's driving me crazy.
 
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Well, Wolfram seems to think that it reduces to the sum of an elliptic integral of the first kind and second kind, furthermore involving complex numbers.
 
Oh, gee, I copied it wrong. How embarrassing. My apologies. How about

[tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{\frac{x-1}{x+1}}}{x^2} dx[/tex]

Wolfram thinks it's arctan-ny.
 
Make the substitution [tex]x = sin^2h(t)[/tex], and the integral reduces to:

[tex]2\int \sqrt{sin^2h(t) - 1}\ dt[/tex]

Edit: just saw your post. Oops.
 
You get an ugly mess if you type that into Wolfram's Integrator directly. On the other hand, simplifying the radical leads to the much simpler form
[tex]\int\frac{\sqrt{x^2-1}}{x^2(x+1)}dx =<br /> -\left(\tan^{-1}\left(\frac1{\sqrt{x^2-1}}\right)+\frac{\sqrt{x^2-1}}x\right)[/tex]
 
In that case, make the substitution [tex]u^2 =\frac{x-1}{x+1}\[/tex].

So the integral becomes:

[tex]\int \frac{4u^2 du}{(1+u^2)^2}\[/tex]

Looks like a further substitution of u = tan(t) or u = sinh(a) will do the trick. Or partial fractions.

By partial fractions, the integrand is: [tex]\frac{4}{1+u^2}\ - \frac{4}{(1+u^2)^2}\[/tex]
 
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I'm having trouble with the algebra manipulating that substitution to get it nicely as

[tex]\int \frac{4u^2}{(1+u^2)^2} du[/tex]

Would it be too much trouble to explain how you did that? Of course from there, it's nice.
 
[tex]u^2 = \frac{x-1}{x+1}\[/tex]
[tex]= 1 - \frac{2}{x+1}\[/tex]

Solving for (x + 1) gives:

[tex]x + 1 = \frac{2}{1 - u^2}\[/tex] --- (1)[/color]

So, [tex](x + 1)^2 = \frac{4}{(1 - u^2)^2}\[/tex] --- (2)[/color]

Also, [tex]2u du = \frac{2 dx}{(x+1)^2}\[/tex]

^ You got that part right? So:

[tex]dx = u(x + 1)^2 du[/tex]

From (2)[/color],

[tex]dx = \frac{4u du}{(1 - u^2)^2}\[/tex]

So, the expression inside the square root of your original integral becomes u^2, so the whole square root becomes u. From (1)[/color]:

[tex]x = \frac{2 - (1 - u^2)}{1 - u^2}\[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1 + u^2}{1 - u^2}\[/tex]

Therefore, [tex]x^2 = \frac{(1 + u^2)^2}{(1 - u^2)^2}\[/tex]

So, the whole integral becomes:

[tex]\int \frac{ \frac{4u^2 du}{(1 - u^2)^2} }{ \frac{(1 + u^2)^2}{(1 - u^2)^2}\ } \[/tex]

= [tex]\int \frac{4u^2 du}{(1 + u^2)^2}\[/tex]
 
Ahhh I get it now. That was very clear. :smile:

Thanks very much for your help. Now I can sleep contentedly!
 
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well i tried it by substituting the following:

[tex]x=\tan^2\t[/tex] and then continued. It simplifies very well.
 
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I never get my latex coding right.
[tex]x/=/tan^2t[/tex]
 
  • #12
well isn't the backslash to be for space,

[tex]x\=\tan^2\t[/tex]
 
  • #13
now i got it all wrong
[tex]x=\tan^2t[/tex]
 
  • #14
Now it is fine, sorry for my disobedience with so many posts.
 

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